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Originally Posted by bronco67
Answer this simple question....regardless of whether or not Obamacare is actually working(or not)
-- do YOU want it to work, or have any kind of hope that it could work?
The answer to this question may have something to do with how you present "facts". You look at a chart and instantly see the facts skewed to fit what you want the answer to be. Then you find out you're wrong. It's been in the news quite a bit that Obamacare is doing pretty well, despite how badly conservatives (that's you) want it to fail.
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I didn't "find out I was wrong".
Up until THIS last quarter less people were insured than ObamaCare.
How the hell can you see it as I was "wrong"?
I don't make the data. I just googled it and presented what I thought was the latest data.
Do I want it to "work"? You mean the way it was presented to us by the President? Hell yes!
If we like our insurance we can keep it.
We can keep our doctor.
The cost for the average family will go DOWN $2,500 a year
It won't cost the taxpayers "One thin dime" (the President's quote that he used in speech after speech)
That version of ObamaCare sounded wonderful to me.
But this isn't a case of "wishing". I don't live in fantasyland. I live in reality.
And in reality, the numbers aren't adding up.
I want the answer to be that everybody is doing great!
I also would like to skip amongst unicorns and rainbows.
I'm sorry if reality is trumping good intentions. That's not my fault.
But to simply ignore that the President made a shit ton of assurances and they haven't come to pass is just foolish.
And to read some of the posts on here with people thinking that the healthcare bill was somehow changed to be what it is because of "republicans" is just amazing to me.
I HOPE that it somehow works out.
I question whether the huge influx of new people on medicare is going to allow the numbers to work. And "yes", it's going to cost the taxpayers way more than "one thin dime".
I also find it amusing that some of the guys on here, who seem to worship the Pres. like a God, don't seem to understand the consequences of all of this.
Putting this in place when the economy was pretty much in shambles wasn't the smartest thing. At a time when what we REALLY needed was more good paying, full time jobs...this extra burden on employers is risky to say the least.
Just heard today on the news that the IMF has now lowered the forecast for growth in the U.S. economy for 2014 to the lowest since 2009.
Most of that they are attributing to "weather related problems" in the first quarter (half the country was frozen for weeks...blame it on "global warming" lol).
Do I think that the economy is Obama's fault? Nope. It was the housing market collapse in 2008 that pushed us into hell.
Do I think he could have done a much better job at creating opportunities for business to recover? Hell yes I do.
Do I think he should have put the majority of his time and effort for the first two years into a law that forces people to buy expensive health insurance when they didn't even have a job? Fuck no.
I also question WHY he keeps changing the law to suit his own needs. It's a law passed by Congress. And he keeps changing it to keep Democrats out of hot water in elections because people don't like it.
If it's so damn good...then WHY does he keep doing that? Why not implement it fully and let us all bask in the goodness of ObamaCare?
I'm serious about that. Do you know why?
Is it the EVIL Republicans that are causing him to unilaterally change and delay the law so he can get the fuck out of office before it ever takes hold?
These are questions that I think a rational person should ask. Especially when I see my health insurance premium jumping higher at a faster rate than ever before.
I'm just a member of an "average American family". We don't have any health problems. So why the hell is mine going up instead of going down by $2,500 like the President promised?
But apparently, if I dare to bring any of this up...I'm a "conservative" a "rightwinger" and I'm "cherry picking" stuff.
Why the fuck would I intentionally cherry pick stuff when I'm talking to a bunch of people on a porn webmaster board? I don't know you. Or half of these people.
And you don't know me.
So why would I bother to try and slant a discussion to some "agenda" that doesn't exist?
But I swear...unless you conform and agree 100% with whatever the Democrat Party says...then you are branded a "conservative".
It's frustrating to say the least.
I feel depressed over the whole thing. It appears to me that many people are engaged in "group think" and of course can't see it happening. But what else would you call it when you are instantly a "conservative" if you don't agree with something that the Democrat Party decrees?