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Consumer reports has a deal where they'll send you the dealer's invoice for the car you're looking at. At least that way you'll know what the dealer paid for the car. (Not sure if that's available online though)
Sam's club also has a program set up with dealers where you can buy cars for a couple hundred bucks over invoice.
But like Lensman said, if the car is in high demand then the dealer isn't going to budge because he doesn't have to.
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