Originally Posted by Grapesoda

that's interesting, so when the state pressures someone to talk , cooperate via threats of jail, loss of money, social statues or family that's okay but for the state to pressure a known terrorist via a little mental manipulation for information that will alter the course of events and save many lives.... that's not okay? see what I mean....?

BTW I don't consider armed terrorist caught in the act to be in a 'lawful situation'... i.e. the law or American Citizen rights do NOT apply

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Lets do it to you and see how it goes...Americans have been using torture since...forever.
There's a thing called civilization.

The world you defend works like this. I hate you. I call the cops and say I saw you raping a child/committing a murder/fill_in_the_blanks. The cops come to your house, kick in the door, beat the shit out of you and drag you down to the station. 20 minutes or 24 hours later you confess to a crime you did not commit.

Terrorists are not born terrorists. People become radicalized because their friends/family/country have been going through a living hell usually caused, usually, by the terrorists putting them through it, say another country or political group. the worlds most hated countries are not hated because they dont hand out flowers and chocolate to guests.

Be careful what you agree to...it just may happen to you.

Americans rolled over for the Patriot Act in 2001/2002 and look what the NSA is doing today.