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TheSquealer · 03-15-2014, 01:37 PM

I think I should have said this better.

Moral reasoning centers of the brain
Rational reasoning centers of the brain

These both provide the framework for social decision

Your scenario of downloading say ... a song.There is no real perception of stealing from another person, of harming another etc this decision does not engage the moral reasoning centers of the brain. It relies solely on the rational reasoning centers. I. Other words, weighing primarily risk vs reward. Basically zero risk of getting in trouble, no real perception of harming another and the immediate reward of getting what you want.

It, like any number of scenarios is a "moral dilemma" philosophically but is not in terms of how your brain makes the decision as brain scans demonstrate.

However, if I put a picture of the artist in front of you and said "this is bob, it's his song". Now there is a name, face and real person associated with the song. This starts to also engage the moral reasoning centers as we introduce a real person and a vague idea that maybe a real person is being harmed.

The number of people willing to download that song would start to decrease as moral reasoning is then introduced to a small degree into the decision to commit the act.

If we went further and Bob met the downloader, shook his hand, bought him lunch and Bob have him a nice gift, again the willingness to download would dramatically decrease... as moral reasoning increasingly takes over rational reasoning as the primary decision driver.

My point to your point is that the understanding of what is a moral decision and what isn't is easily misunderstood in terms of how the brain actually processes the decision.

Also, it's important to note that in the case of the USA for example, mental disorders such as narcissistic personality disorders, antisocial personality disorders, sociopathy and psychopathy are exploding. Well over 6-7% of the population have a severe deficit or even complete inability to even processing a moral question in a healthy manner. That format mean that they don't appear normal as these people have a lifetime of experience in faking a socially acceptable emotional response. I would guess this is largely due to the fact that this untrue emphasizes me me me and the individual where "fuck everyone else" is really a very small and even logical step to take.

We are born with the framework for morality hard wired into our brains. From there, environment, experience and disorders/disease come into to shape things further and individual values tend to slightly differ. HOWEVER, that is not the same as someone being genuinely confused as to why stealing from another man they personally entered into a contract with and who has faithfully fulfilled their end of the deal is wrong. That is indicative of a problem with that person.

03-15-2014, 01:37 PM
TheSquealer Mayor of Thneedville Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 25,542	I think I should have said this better. Moral reasoning centers of the brain Rational reasoning centers of the brain These both provide the framework for social decision Your scenario of downloading say ... a song.There is no real perception of stealing from another person, of harming another etc this decision does not engage the moral reasoning centers of the brain. It relies solely on the rational reasoning centers. I. Other words, weighing primarily risk vs reward. Basically zero risk of getting in trouble, no real perception of harming another and the immediate reward of getting what you want. It, like any number of scenarios is a "moral dilemma" philosophically but is not in terms of how your brain makes the decision as brain scans demonstrate. However, if I put a picture of the artist in front of you and said "this is bob, it's his song". Now there is a name, face and real person associated with the song. This starts to also engage the moral reasoning centers as we introduce a real person and a vague idea that maybe a real person is being harmed. The number of people willing to download that song would start to decrease as moral reasoning is then introduced to a small degree into the decision to commit the act. If we went further and Bob met the downloader, shook his hand, bought him lunch and Bob have him a nice gift, again the willingness to download would dramatically decrease... as moral reasoning increasingly takes over rational reasoning as the primary decision driver. My point to your point is that the understanding of what is a moral decision and what isn't is easily misunderstood in terms of how the brain actually processes the decision. Also, it's important to note that in the case of the USA for example, mental disorders such as narcissistic personality disorders, antisocial personality disorders, sociopathy and psychopathy are exploding. Well over 6-7% of the population have a severe deficit or even complete inability to even processing a moral question in a healthy manner. That format mean that they don't appear normal as these people have a lifetime of experience in faking a socially acceptable emotional response. I would guess this is largely due to the fact that this untrue emphasizes me me me and the individual where "fuck everyone else" is really a very small and even logical step to take. We are born with the framework for morality hard wired into our brains. From there, environment, experience and disorders/disease come into to shape things further and individual values tend to slightly differ. HOWEVER, that is not the same as someone being genuinely confused as to why stealing from another man they personally entered into a contract with and who has faithfully fulfilled their end of the deal is wrong. That is indicative of a problem with that person.