Originally Posted by woj

it's not a "claim", it's a fact...

if someone is paying less now, or getting better coverage for the same price, or is in any way benefiting from obamacare, it's because their healthcare is getting subsidized... and that is welfare... no?

there are really 2 groups of people.... one group that benefits from obamacare, and another group that is getting fucked by it... there is nothing at all douchebagy about bitching about getting fucked...

on the other hand, it does seem a bit douchebaggy to benefit from obamacare, and then telling those that are getting fucked by it: "quit bitching... obamacare is great!"