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Swing and a miss! The argument encapsulates the fact that exists. The problem isn't that in a perfect world everyone would take b12 supplements or injections, it's that in the really real world that doesn't happen and in reality b12 deficiency is a big problem. If we could all get along, there would be no war, if we could all be nice there wouldn't be rapes, if vegans and vegetarians could properly supplement their diet they wouldn't be disproportionally b12 deficient.
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There is a good amount of evidence to suggest that when an animal is in a line of 50 others to be slaughtered, they understand that they're next. You have to understand that when animals are produced as part of a business venture, they are killed in the most efficient way possible. Lowered costs are the ultimate goal: the welfare of the animal isn't always something they care for.
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Personally I can't really see that much of an issue in whether a cow understands they're going to die some moments before it happens. In the wild this would be similar to a predator presence response and this would be vastly more humane at that. However I'd need to see the actual studies involved before I gave them ANY credence in the first place before I thought it was even the start of a potential problem.
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Another strong argument is simply the fact that the food demands we'll experience in the coming 100 years will require so much land for the production of animals. It requires 10 pounds of feed to produce 1 pound of flesh: that isn't efficient, and it won't be sustainable.
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I don't really see this as any kind of argument, just a description of a potential or likely market force. Any inefficiency in meat production just translates into a higher cost for the end product, people will just eat less of it which is probably a good thing overall as you don't need a steak every night. Also it completely ignores the large tracts of land that are not suitable to vegetable farming but whilst arid and sparse, support grazing animals.
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Cows also fart, a lot. They contribute to global warming on a very noticeable level.
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I don't believe they will ever form a meaningful impact. I think issues like peak oil will largely mitigate climate change before we get around to doing too much about it and as long as the carbon effects are priced in I don't see the issue.
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It's okay to say "I eat meat because I like the taste and I don't give a shit", but to try and give valid arguments and defend it with any other form of reason is just pointless. Veganism is pretty much impossible to argue against when defended correctly.
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You haven't actually shown there is anything that needs defense yet, I don't believe there are many arguments that prove there is anything wrong with eating meat, just some arguments that show veganism is almost as valid a choice in a perfect world and highlight some largely economic differences.
It's sort of like a victorian arguing for marital sex. Yes it can largely be done if that's what you prefer, but you've started from the proposition that masturbation is bad and why you don't need it to justify an irrational lifestyle choice largely based on a specific morality.