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Originally Posted by Barefootsies
Sorry to you artsy fartsy photographers, but there is a reason you're out of business. It's a very simple concept in regards to who stays in business and who does not. Perhaps you're shit doesn't convert as well as others, or your girls are not as attractive, maybe you do not offer post production and the next guy does. If your content does not generate sales, then you find yourself out of business. It's that simple.
Look at Clips4Sale and all of the people making money there. Plenty of mom and pops shooting with what is at best night vision with mediocre talent and still making a living doing it. Do I think it's the pillar of quality content by PRODUCTION STANDARDS? No.
However, I am a businessman. If that shitty night vision content with crackhoes convert into sales, ultimately that is ALL that I or people like myself care about. I can assure you that if your content and girls were selling and converting memberships like hotcakes, few would mind paying your ransom.
I think some of you in this thread get too caught up in your artsy fartsy and do not spend enough time thinking about the business side of the equation from the end client's point of view. Obviously those who shoot hot women and good content that converts stay in business. It's simple natural selection of the business world.
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I see mostly humiliation doing well at c4s... then again I haven't looked there in some time... and even a top store at c4s isn't going to pull what the major sites pulled only as little 4 years ago.
you see 'artsy fartsy' producers dropping out while I see 'low quality producers' being squeezed out and by that I do not refer to image and video quality. the business is getting smaller, the budgets tighter... clients want to work with reliable producers that have solid integrity. there are people I won't work with because I know if something goes sideways, I'll achieve profitable resolution and things go sideways very often. more so than ever. the model pool is ... not really sure how to put it...
and like you say: convert and retain. that's the bottom line... when you speak of 'HQ DSLR sites' .. I have no idea... the content doesn't appeal to me. hopefully nubiles will do well with the stuff, I've know the nubiles guys since the beginning and wish them well.
the client base I shoot for doesn't want DOF isolation. one of the main concerns of the members I shoot for is 'posing' for some reason.... that and some certain articles of clothing. the first thing I do every morning is review the rating across the sites and read all the comments. this way I'm able to adjust my shoots to the membership needs as I go forward. if a shooter is NOT addressing the concerns of the members, no matter the quality or price of the content... that shooter will be replaced.
what's interesting to me is some of the HQ DSLR shooter don't actually care what the members want and are only interested in their 'craft/art'.I know that because I've been told that by some of the shooters... it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the long run.