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Originally Posted by adultmobile
If you are on revshare this logic it may apply, but what about the $1 per free user lead, this is another world. Perhaps a program should remove leaks for users landed in revshare, and show leaks for users landed on pay per free, this woud be more nice?
About ban programs with leaks: you should ban most them. I am into providing cam plugins (chatgf.com) in member areas of pay sites since many years. So mine cam, plus several others that populate the member areas (some have 1, some 2, some 3+), are not tracking the original affiliate, absolutely sure of this. I never heard any program to ask us to implement tracking for affiliates, the program gets paid by us simply, he keeps all.
The only member-area cam I know of, which tracks sales to affiliates, it is metcams for metart network, since both are interfaced with ccbill (nice job - even I can't love them completely, because they kicked out my cam plugin to put that - hehe).
Finally, while I seen many times lots of drama in GFY about leaks of chaturbate (but not about the ones of 99% of pay site member areas!?), in other (not strictly adult) forums or talking with my affiliates (most or all being also chaturbate + crakrevenue affiliates), I never heard making dramas of leaks. But only seeing talk about the actual money they could make for a defined amount of traffic sent.
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To be honest and blunt about it, it's all essentially a scam on the affiliate. In adult 2013 affiliates for the most part are treated like impoverished slaves who should be happy to earn $1 a day. Adult slowly evolved towards this over the last 15 years and I watched it happen.
Uncredited cross sales
uncredited Member area upsells (like cams)
Clips for sale leaks
Review site buttons (yes, once affiliates often complained about this even - and rightly so)
email harvestors on stage 1 of the signup form without compensation
urls on promo material
urls on banners
popunders to other sites before a sale was made
All of the above mostly used to be something that affiliates would not tolerate and considered dishonest and negative. Especially for revshare. But like I said adult evolved (devolved) into what we have now.
With PPL you still need the visitor to provide an email or register. If there are other options then statistically less will register. Also it opens the door for the sponsor to take advantage of the affiliate by putting up all sorts of other offers they know they don't have to pay the affiliate for. After a while it makes sense for the sponsor to do everything they can to get the customer to sign up for the other options instead of for the one which the affiliate gets credit for.
I could go on but this will generate a lot of disagreement already. It's relative with most people but just because everyone else NOW (it never used to be this way) does it, it does not make it right. Affiliates still in the game often have to make compromises between the lessor of two evils but it doesn't mean we like it. I think this is partially why many adult affiliates have left. The terms get worse every year for the affiliate with new ploys by the sponsors and others to basically steal from them.
Here is the newest thing we are moving towards:
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1116466 it only shows the reality of the situation. I think it's only going to get worse. I've even seen one sponsor try to put a minimum volume level in their agreement with terms which basically seemed to say "if you don't do this much in sales per month" you agree to forfeit all commissions. NOT that it is simply carried over but they literally keep the money for themselves.