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Old 07-21-2013, 09:22 AM  
lagcam
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Originally Posted by adultmobile View Post
I can't resist to post a surreal discussion I just had with a fraudster affiliate. He surely read instructions, and did not contacted us. But...

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TubeCamGirl wrote:

Hi,
We checked your signups and most are from same [ispname]:
[list with dozen of ip's with same range]
...

This is statistically impossible, you may agree looks like unreal.
Can you tell more about your traffic source please, and give an explanation to this.

Regards,
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(there was also a signup ratio of 1:1 and 1:2 in first day, then the next days he added trash traffic to make ratio look 1:50 to 1:110, but I did not told him I noticed ratio).

Fraudster Creative Reply 1:

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SmartGuy wrote:
> Hello, the traffic comes from my blog, and i work promoting my blog in specific areas of the united states using facebook, i think thast why most of the ips have that range.
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Fascinated by the excuse, I replied further:

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TubeCamGirl wrote:

Even if guys are all in a same specific areas, they should use different isp companies, there is no such a monopoly in USA. Perhaps you target the customers club of that one isp? The fact some traffic that did not signed up (coming from all over the world, by the way) comes from a blog, does not mean the signups (all made from that one same isp range) comes from real people.
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I was thinking the above logic was consistent, but the guy insisted:

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SmartGuy wrote:
> no because some isp are more popular in some areas , so most of the users use that ip company... what would be the solution then? promoting my traffic in different areas from the united states , australia and canada?
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Ok so he was begging to continue, and looking to change isp or country for fake signups. I replied "Sorry, we prefer if you do not send signups anymore.". Perhaps he will signup as affiliate again on fake name and do fake signups in a more smart way. Some of them return many times, improving each time, taking it like a video game.

Some statistics: 9 out of 10 new affiliates who signup for free lead program are fraudsters. I think tofu confirmed this ratio in another thread for his (bigger) program.
We have had this conversation before, but seriously, you don't think it is even a little stupid to explain to people how you caught them and thus educate them how to better cheat you (and others) in future?

I sense that you like people to know how smart you undoubtedly are but not all webmasters have your skillset and so whilst you may enjoy pitting your wits against increasingly smarter opponents, I don't think you are doing any favors to everybody else....

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