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Old 07-14-2013, 12:20 PM  
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Originally Posted by Robbie View Post
And the state/prosecutors play loose and fast with the "rules". They hide evidence, they bully the public defenders, etc.

I saw Alan Dershowitz on CNN this morning talking about it. He pointed out that the prosecution tried to hide exculpatory evidence over and over again during this trial, but attorney Don West called them on it every time and won the case.

That is the problem. Hiding evidence and pulling tricks like overcharging and trying to change the charges in the middle of the case are things that the State and prosecuting attorneys do every day across this country.

It perverts our entire justice system.

Want to know why so many young black men are in jail? Because it's hard to afford the kind of attorney that has the resources and the skills in court to be able to successfully defend you against that kind of crooked justice.

GZ would never have been able to afford his defense team on his own. The only reason he was able to get them was because of all the publicity that TM's attorneys and Al Sharpton brought to the case.

Once that kind of publicity is in play...EVERY big attorney wants that case.

But for me, you, and most people...we would never be able to get attorneys of that caliber.
Maybe if we have enough money we could get the best attorney in whatever shithole town we may live in. But that still isn't gonna probably be enough to beat the State juggernaut in court.

The State has unlimited resources and nothing but time.
An average citizen runs out of money pretty quickly trying to pay expensive lawyers.

Alan Dershowitz said today that Don West is seeking sanctions in court against the State and the prosecutors for illegally hiding evidence and other legal tricks they pulled in the court. He thinks heads will roll.

I think that needs to be looked at across the entire country.

We have police, prosecutors, and judges holding hands with a multi-billion dollar prison industry. And they are doing everything they can to put people in jail without a fair trial.
Several years ago I watched a documentary about a case in Florida where a couple from Europe was on vacation and the wife was killed by a young black guy who was trying to rob her. Her husband saw it go down from a distance and called 911. Basically, the guy walked up to the wife who was standing outside their hotel room and tried to grab her purse. When she fought back he pulled a gun and shot her. She died.

The police arrive and they end up arresting this 17-year-old kid who was walking down the road somewhat near the hotel. The husband ID'd him as the shooter. The kid claimed he was on his way to a job interview (something that was later verified).

The case got a lot press and this big shot defense attorney took on the kids case because he felt he was innocent. He was able to put up the kind of fight needed to get the kid off. As it turns out there was a ton of evidence the proved it couldn't be the kid that did this crime, but prosecution tried to manipulate some of it and keep some of it out of court. The kid's lawyer successfully fought it and the kid was found not guilty.

Sometime later they actually got the real shooter who turned out to look nothing like the kid.

Had that kid just had a public defender he likely would still be sitting in jail today. When you talk about how so many poor black guys are in jail simply because they didn't have fantastic attorneys, I believe it 100%.
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