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Originally Posted by Robbie
People tend to get nuts when they have had their neighborhood robbed several times. As I understand it, several homes there had been broken into. So yeah...unfortunately that can drive people to get an attitude like that.
I would probably feel that same way if my neighbors homes were broken into. I'd start keeping a lookout and be worried that I would be next. And if I saw somebody I didn't know walking up into my neighbors yards right beside their homes (that's what TM was doing) under those circumstances (recent robberies) then I'd get pissed and go after them too.
I guess we can all agree that the whole thing really sucks. TM was a typical young man. Smoked a little weed, acted out a bit, put some dumb pics of himself flipping the bird on his Facebook page, got into a little trouble at school. Just like millions of young men do as teens.
It was just a very bad situation that happened. TM had no idea that there had been robberies in that neighborhood. And being young and dumb he probably thought nothing about confronting GZ when he realized he was being followed. I would have done that too (even now that I'm older and still dumb).
One thing I wouldn't have done is walk up in people's yards at night.
I'm from Fla. and lived near Tampa in my childhood. And people in central Florida WILL shoot your ass if they see you on their property.
So to this day I won't walk up onto someone else's property. I think that was mistake number one for TM that night.
His second and fatal mistake was turning to confront GZ and getting all physical about it. It just goes to show that you never know who you may be fucking with. You never know who has a knife, or a gun, etc.
Seems like it was a tragic "perfect storm".
If GZ had just stayed in his vehicle nothing would have happened. But as you pointed out...his earlier language shows that the people living in that neighborhood were angry, scared, and frustrated by getting their homes broken into. Makes for a dangerous situation.
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This is why I think it is more likely that if GZ is convicted of anything it will be manslaughter not murder 2. My understanding is that for murder 2 to be proven they must show that GZ intended to hurt Martin and I don't think that was the case. I think it was a case of an overzealous guy who has a police fetish trying to do what he thought was the right thing and it ending with the death of someone.
As you said, the entire thing was avoidable. During Zimmerman's 911 call he even says that Martin is looking at him and coming toward him. He could have tried to defuse the situation right there by calling out to him and identifying himself as a neighborhood watch person and asking Martin if he was okay. There is no way of knowing how Martin would have reacted to that, but at least then it would have been 100% clear who he was and why he was stopped and looking at Martin.
In the end, Zimmerman's decision to follow Martin ultimately led to his death. I don't think it is murder 2, more like manslaughter, but like you said, it really was just the perfect storm of two people meeting at the wrong time in the wrong place under the wrong circumstances.