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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
I can see why you are upset. Here I am telling many people (affiliates) not to bother with paysites and that potentially hurts your business. But I'm just being honest.
If I could send 100,000 visitors per month to your paysites Mr. Peabody without forcing them there then I have no doubt that I would get filthy rich from it. But that's not what I said. I said 100,000 unique visitors to my site and with a ctr of .75% that means less than a 1,000 of them will ever hit your site. The difference between the two is huge. If your paysite converts at 1:1000 for me with your affiliate tracking then that means I might not even get a sale a month from that.
If I'm operating a tube or something equally bandwidth and server resource intensive then I might not even make a profit from that model alone. It's a lot of work too when you think about it. Here I am running a site with 100,000 unique people coming through it and I might not even be making a profit or if I am it's barely anything.
That's just not acceptable to me. I want more for that exposure. I want more for my time. The reality behind being a paysite affiliate radically changed in the last few years. When it was 1:400 with a 5% ctr it was totally different. That same 100,000 visitors to my site would have yielded over 12 sales and they would have rebilled longer too allowing me to build up revenues.
Don't be mad. I'm just telling it as it is. It's not an individual affiliate's fault. It's not doing something wrong. It's simple math. When you drop the ctr because people know they can get the product for free while at the same time increase the ratios for the same reason this is what happens. It's unavoidable. It sucks. But that's the way it is. I'm not going to blow smoke up MikeSinner's ass and tell him to "keep building" and sending to traffic to paysite affiliate programs when I know damn well he'll probably end up starving a year from now. That's not the way I am. I treat others as I would want to be treated and that means not bullshitting them. I give honest advice.
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It's the 4th of July so I'm being anti-British for one day so take that into consideration. LOL But to your point:
Then what you're talking about is CTR. If you have 100k hitting YOUR website - BTW, DO you have 100k uniques to send ANYwhere? Just asking - and you're getting a 0.75% CTR then you would be sending less than 1k hits and then you would be correct in your negative assumptions.
BUT:
that's assuming a 0.75 CTR. With my content/promo tools I see these CTRs:
Tubes (does depend but averaging them altogether): 2.50
Blogs: 3.50
TGPs: 2.75
Banner clicks (advertising on tubes): 2.40
Bnnaer clicks (advertising on non-tubes): 2.25
So let's double your 0.75 CTR and get a whopping 1.5 CTR (still way below my averages). Then you'd send about 1500k uniques, yes? Realistically that's 3 sales, maybe 4-5. It would depend on your traffic (is it coming from searches? Tubes? Bookmarkers? Loyal readers of your Blog? Etc).
Not having seen your sites it's impossible for to tell how many clicks an ad or video or gallery of mine would get but as I said, having over 1000 affiliates now and having been in business for 4 1/2 years, I can tell where my sales are coming from and they are indeed coming from tubes, blogs, TGPs, ad buys and others.
Also i would honestly say: IF you have 100k uniques to send somewhere then you should be making much more than 1-5 sales with that traffic. If you're promoting Brazzers, BangBros, etc then a 1:20k would be normal these days. LOL
CTR can be maddening - you get 100k visitors (or views on tubes, or gallery views, or whatever) and yet only see 1k-ish going to a moneymaker. The numbers are indeed staggering and I would understand wanting to do something else with that traffic. But having said that, cams and dating can be tricky, Sponsers are closing shop/playing games....I do understand how difficult it is.
But last thought here: the alternative for affiliates is to give up on paysites, to focus on cams and dating companies until there are few of THEM left that are profitable. I truly believe things change and we will will see a return to strong paysite sales in the near future. The tube model cannot sustain itself and generational turnover will keep things interesting.
Ok, time for hot dogs, baseball, apple pie and good ol' fashioned AMERICAN HEDONISM on our Birthday. Sorry England, no Kings allowed today. :D