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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
Uhm.... defending himself from getting punched, knocked to the ground, having a guy on top of him punching him repeatedly while beating his head into the pavement? All consistent with the injuries of each party and the eye witness account of the sole eye witness.
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Great, so you have two people defending themselves - an armed man who stalked and then chased a teenager. The teen - Martin - was doing nothing wrong. A older, armed man stalked him, followed him, then physically fucking ran after him. It wasn't Zimmerman defending himself; It was Zimmerman who started it and the kid was defending himself.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
You are confusing the shooting with everything else. Pulling out a gun and shooting Martin doesn't have to be related to anything else other than exactly what was happening at the exact moment the gun was fired.
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I'm not confusing the shooting with anything.
The kid had done nothing wrong, was followed and stalked by an older armed man so Martin did what any kid would do - he fled. He ran. And Zimmerman chased him. Take and the shooting out of this, and you have older armed man chasing a kid for no fucking reason.
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If you want perspective, listen to the 911 call. Its pretty clear Zimmerman was calmly doing his job and waiting for police and doing everything right, guiding police to the area etc etc etc.
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He wasn't doing his job. He was running an errand, and saw Martin. He wasn't "on watch" or "on duty"; He was an armed civilian. He should have called the police and let them handle it. Instead, we have an armed civilian chasing down an innocent kid and killing him.
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And he didn't "stalk the kid" - he was keeping his eyes on him while police were en route.... AND guiding police to his location in the neighborhood. Again, all well documented in the 911 calls.... but who needs facts when you have headlines crafted to sell newspapers, twist facts and cause an emotional response from simpletons to increase readership and ad sales?
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Zimmerman called 911 and followed him. Chances are Zimmerman had already been following him for a few minutes before calling 911. The kid notices a older man following him and fled.
The kid ran. Zimmerman said "He's running". Zimmerman was chasing him.
You said "who needs facts when we have the 911 call". Great - Zimmer called 911, followed the kid, and then chased him when he ran.
I'm not twisting facts at all. It's in the 911 call. He followed him, then he chased him, even though he was told by 911 not to.
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All evidence shows he acted in self defense. Even the wounds of each party and an eye witness account supports that.
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You can argue he was acting in self defense all you want. He followed the kid, he chased the kid, and when he caught up to the kid he got his ass whopped. Martin was acting in self defense too. An older armed man was following him and when Martin ran, the older armed man chased him.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
There is a simple way to avoid someone getting killed in these situations. Don't punch the guy who is doing his job, then climb on top of him, start punching him and beating his head against the pavement.
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He wasn't doing his job. He was not a police officer. If anything, he only should have called police and then walked away - not chase an unarmed innocent kid and kill him for reason.
A teenager went to the store to buy skittles and was followed and chased by an older armed man who shot the teen dead. There is no two ways about it.