^ Yep. I think that video is quite relevant to all the claims about 'consent', and how the girls 'agree' to it, beforehand. Even if people agree to something, even if they sign something, it doesn't necessarily mean there isn't pressure or coercion involved.
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Originally Posted by deltav
Normally I agree bringing up extreme examples in a discussion like this doesn't serve anyone, but to be fair Joe did kinda state *all* video including those depicting illegal criminal acts should be legal to view:
So helterskelter was taking it to its logical extension.
I can't get on board with this idea that extreme content (and now I'm talking about Joe's 'grisly videos showing every cruelty' stuff rather than the OP's clip) is "teaching important lessons". To me that sounds like a lawyer married to his ideology. More often than not IMO it serves to titillate, desensitize, and alienate and isn't doing much for viewers' minds beyond warping them a bit.
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There are plenty people who take the stance that (I'm assuming) Joe does. In fact I respect that stance a lot; it's a tough one to take, and I believe it makes a lot of logical sense.
I also agree that if you believe in a line,
anywhere, then you believe in censorship. Most people, however liberal, including myself, draw the line at CP, which is why it's relevant to mention it.