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Originally Posted by mikesouth
Its pretty simple really...Your freedom ends where someone elses begins.
The Constitution as pretty clear that it limits what the government can do, not grants rights to people but recognizes rights as inalienable. The Patriot Act, FISA, The NDA, RICO, The war on (pick one) all usurp those freedoms, in the name of keeping us safe from these government created dragons.
Our founding fathers saw that this was a dangerous possibility and Ben Franklin himself said something to the effect that anyone who gives up his freedom for security deserves neither
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yes, thank you. it's important to me that we all try to be clear on what the problem is.
1st, i don't have a clearcut solution to the problem. tbh, i don't think there is one. i respect the shit out of Robbie and similar who are completely fed up with the current state of affairs and i get that, but there's 800 million people here, unfortunately that means we need laws and orders. that's an unfortunate side-effect.
so to me, the question is, in 2013 with the verizons of the world being able to record what their customers call, is that a big deal slippery slope new level or is it just like you and me- we happen to know what porn our customers buy and have a record of their porn preferences, when they bought, how long the browsed it, from what computer they surfed my porn, etc.
you bring it up in an interesting way, the ben franklin quote, which the specific quote taken in context is not about civil liberties. i became interested in the quote a while back and took a peek into it, here is a terrific article describing what franklin really meant
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/07/w...n-really-said/
