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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
I don't think it's only affiliates who have been harmed. It's paysite owners as well. You said it yourself. Once you put up those 10 minute clips and submitted them over the course of a year your sales tanked. The difference is when the sponsor gives away the content or suffers from piracy both the sponsor and affiliate say lose 100 sales a day in total. But for the sponsor maybe they can get 5-10 sales a day from the increased exposure (still a net loss of 90 sales). For the most part the affiliate is shut out. We only lose as traffic is harder to get and conversions tank.
There is so much against the adult affiliate these days (especially the paysite affiliate) that it isn't anywhere near the same deal as in the past.
To be honest I have stopped putting up new paysite links and I don't put up sponsor content any longer. It's almost worthless. And to top it off most sponsors are now giving out 5-15 minute clips to the large tubes while in contrast the affiliate, if lucky, is getting six year old 30 second wmv clips. Then most sponsors are now treating their affiliates as if they are freeloading assholes. Then there is the math. Why send traffic to a sponsor converting at 1:4000 to 1:7000 when you can get 1 cent a click elsewhere? THIS is the legacy people like Fabian and JT built in this industry. They destroyed the paysite affiliate model and they have crippled the paysite model in general. They may be nice guys in real life but this is what they did to our industry and that is how it is.
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After reading through this thread and thinking a LOT about the points made here, from both sides, here's where I stand:
When it comes to EXISTING content, affiliates and program owners with older SD content it is NOT in your best interest to submit 10+ videos to tube sites. Period.
IF SHOOTING NEW CONTENT: Then going about your business the way JT is describing (and proving) IS, short-term (1-3 years) the way to go. Tube surfers are differant from Blog readers or TGP visitors so how you market to them IS very differant. If you have the ability to shoot content with them in mind - and, again, very few of us have this ability - then you can maximize tube traffic the way JT does (and I do, to a smaller degree, since I rarely shoot my own content but instead work with "established" content).
I have a network of 32 paysites and some doing amazingly well with the tubes, others so-so, some tank altogether. Those that do the best are actually very similar to JT's sites (all HD, extremely unique content). The others that do so-so have older SD content but the Tours/site name/domain are unique enough to be branded well on tubes and make a few sales. The ones that tank are the ones with the most generic, played out content.
I don't have the resources to shoot multiple scenes a week so I tweak what I DO have control over: the paysite Tours, which is why my conversion ratios are so high and I am able to stay in business. If I DID film my own content I would shoot it like JT does....until the pendulum swung back the other way then I'd go old-school/hardcore amateur porn again.
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Originally Posted by Ruseful
Will definitely take you up on that!! Where are you based? I am in Prague. My Skype name is shittingnora (long story, dont read anything into it lol)
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Will reach out to you later. I'm in NYC tho I've been to Praha and have actually fucked and filmed some of the models on your websites. LOL