Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You shouldn't jump to the conclusion that I didn't do any research - I even asked for a rebuttle at the start so we could have an intelligent discussion and not a OMG GUNS ARE BAD VS WTF GUNS ARE AWESOME arguement. The article I posted shows firearm homicides, not homicides. I did also look up the overall homicide rate before I posted and yes I did find poland was around 1/100k and US was around 4/100k or something like that. You also shouldn't compare all of eastern europe to all of north amerca either, because there is like 10 countries that are counted into eastern europes all with different laws and different gun availability. It's comparing apples to oranges...different parts of eastern europe are literally MILES apart in terms of economic and social differences. My comparison was of strictly two countries with strictly two different philosophies on guns.

That being said, my point was to argue "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". It was to illustrate that gun control = less people getting killed by firearms, not that less people get murdered (which 4 to 1 per capital is still a HUGE difference). When my kid goes to school, i'm not gonna have it at the back of my head that the place will get shot up. I can stroll through the darkest alley in the shittiest part of town, and at worst i'll get my ass kicked but I certainly won't get shot. If my house gets broken into, the burglers almost certainly won't have guns. I'm not saying "if you abolish all guns in the US immediately, the problem will be fixed". I'm saying that progressively more gun control over the course of the next 20 to 30 years WILL make a difference. Criminals aren't always criminals forever, and the harder you make it for new criminals to get guns in the long run the gun murders will go down. Think back to how many people you probably knew in highscool that were selling weed and now have regular jobs and families.