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k0nr4d · 12-29-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

one of the reasons for that is a history of 'overthrowing the government and starting wars' in east euro that really hasn't happened in the USA so the gov here has been a lot more liberal on guns ownership + many or the US concepts of guns are from a time when there was much open territory.

for instance my great grandfather had to wear a gun in the field while plowing and tending animals. and a large amount of those gun killings are 'minority's' that we as American's are not allowed to mention, in fact I would say most of the gun murders are in fact just that.

"For example, San Mateo County, California had a population of approximately 707,000 and 17 homicides in 2001. Six of these 17 homicides took place in poor East Palo Alto, which had a population of roughly 30,000. So, while East Palo Alto accounted for a mere 4.2% of the population, about one-third of the homicides took place there."

here is this I found:

Poland?s murder rate one of lowest in EU

With 1.29 murders per 100,000 people Poland has one of the lowest homicide rate in the European Union, according to the Eurostat statistical office.

---this is a bit different than 0.02 per 100,000 that you have put up

Lithuania is the murder center of the EU, with nine homicides yearly for every 100,000 inhabitants, (that's 9.0 per 100,000 just in case which is more than double the stats you posted for the US)

followed by Estonia and Luxembourg, Belgium, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Finland.

Austria has the lowest homicide rate at 0.67.

Lithuanian and Estonian commentators say that most homicides are perpetrated at home and usually are the result of alcohol abuse, while generally the streets of cities are very safe.

here ya go:

UNODC murder rates most recent year

Africa 17.0 169,105
Americas 15.4 144,595
Asia 3.1 127,120
Europe 3.5 24,025
Oceania 2.9 1,180
World 6.9 466,078

North America, including Canada:
Northern America 3.9 13,558 Americas

Eastern Europe counting Poland:
Eastern Europe 6.4 19,072 Europe

you might want to a do a bit of research before you start putting of 'so called statistics'

You shouldn't jump to the conclusion that I didn't do any research - I even asked for a rebuttle at the start so we could have an intelligent discussion and not a OMG GUNS ARE BAD VS WTF GUNS ARE AWESOME arguement. The article I posted shows firearm homicides, not homicides. I did also look up the overall homicide rate before I posted and yes I did find poland was around 1/100k and US was around 4/100k or something like that. You also shouldn't compare all of eastern europe to all of north amerca either, because there is like 10 countries that are counted into eastern europes all with different laws and different gun availability. It's comparing apples to oranges...different parts of eastern europe are literally MILES apart in terms of economic and social differences. My comparison was of strictly two countries with strictly two different philosophies on guns.

That being said, my point was to argue "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". It was to illustrate that gun control = less people getting killed by firearms, not that less people get murdered (which 4 to 1 per capital is still a HUGE difference). When my kid goes to school, i'm not gonna have it at the back of my head that the place will get shot up. I can stroll through the darkest alley in the shittiest part of town, and at worst i'll get my ass kicked but I certainly won't get shot. If my house gets broken into, the burglers almost certainly won't have guns. I'm not saying "if you abolish all guns in the US immediately, the problem will be fixed". I'm saying that progressively more gun control over the course of the next 20 to 30 years WILL make a difference. Criminals aren't always criminals forever, and the harder you make it for new criminals to get guns in the long run the gun murders will go down. Think back to how many people you probably knew in highscool that were selling weed and now have regular jobs and families.