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Trend · 09-24-2012, 11:11 AM

This will be my last post or I run the risk of sounding like "PM"

All of the above was to simply point out that the small & mid sized paysite business that gathered are indeed struggling. We all seem to be in the same boat with our paysites. What is being done to mitigate these significant declines in the paysite business:

1. Shooting "LA" Porn: For whatever reason, fans seem to differentiate between "pornstars" and "web girls". Fair or not, having that "pornstar" moniker, in most cases raises their rate for other aspects of business. Also, those that have started shooting in "LA" are getting a day rate between $800 - $1200 ( a lot more than they are making on their paysites )

This does zero for those companies who buy their content and / or don't manage their models directly. But for the owner / operator ..it's a big bump.

2. Live Cam: The model's seem to prefer two networks in particular & they are making great money on them. The average hourly amongst this group was $187.00 / hour & they are averaging $1,496 per week

Again, this does zero for those companies who buy their content and / or don't manage their models directly. But for the owner / operator ..it's a big bump. Some of these companies are starting to set up studio accounts so they get a little piece of the pie. Studio accounts, if done right, can be lucrative. The most interesting tactic & one that has worked well .. the company is recruiting housewives from the suburbs rather than typical models. They contend these women are motivated, find it fun and treat the situation professionally. ( i.e. they show up on time, put in their work & have little drama )

3. Clips4Sale : Niche certainly works better. But for the solo model or "mainstream" porn these companies are making money on C4S. The range is all over the board however. $600 - $2200 per month. This revenue stream does actually benefit the companies regardless of whether or not they manage their models.

4. Feature Dancing: Again, this really only benefits the model & this game has changed significantly in the past two years. There are essentially two main booking agents for this. I know there are more than two but there are two who handle a significant percentage of the bookings. Recently, Clubs are either booking "A" lister's only or booking non "A" lister's at significantly reduced rates. Feature dancing continues to be lucrative for the feature. The non 'A" listers, in markets over 400k people are averaging $250 per show from the club & getting booked for an average of 5 shows. Tips vary widely but averaged $2400 combined for those 5 shows. This has a lot to do with whether or not the feature is doing private dances, selling dvd's , polaroids etc. Interestingly, polaroids outsell dvd's according to the features.

5. "Private Sessions": Call it what you will but this is a reality of the business and potentially the most lucrative aspect of it. Again, this benefits the individual model rather than the companies.

09-24-2012, 11:11 AM
Trend Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mexico and Midwest Posts: 612	This will be my last post or I run the risk of sounding like "PM" All of the above was to simply point out that the small & mid sized paysite business that gathered are indeed struggling. We all seem to be in the same boat with our paysites. What is being done to mitigate these significant declines in the paysite business: 1. Shooting "LA" Porn: For whatever reason, fans seem to differentiate between "pornstars" and "web girls". Fair or not, having that "pornstar" moniker, in most cases raises their rate for other aspects of business. Also, those that have started shooting in "LA" are getting a day rate between $800 - $1200 ( a lot more than they are making on their paysites ) This does zero for those companies who buy their content and / or don't manage their models directly. But for the owner / operator ..it's a big bump. 2. Live Cam: The model's seem to prefer two networks in particular & they are making great money on them. The average hourly amongst this group was $187.00 / hour & they are averaging $1,496 per week Again, this does zero for those companies who buy their content and / or don't manage their models directly. But for the owner / operator ..it's a big bump. Some of these companies are starting to set up studio accounts so they get a little piece of the pie. Studio accounts, if done right, can be lucrative. The most interesting tactic & one that has worked well .. the company is recruiting housewives from the suburbs rather than typical models. They contend these women are motivated, find it fun and treat the situation professionally. ( i.e. they show up on time, put in their work & have little drama ) 3. Clips4Sale : Niche certainly works better. But for the solo model or "mainstream" porn these companies are making money on C4S. The range is all over the board however. $600 - $2200 per month. This revenue stream does actually benefit the companies regardless of whether or not they manage their models. 4. Feature Dancing: Again, this really only benefits the model & this game has changed significantly in the past two years. There are essentially two main booking agents for this. I know there are more than two but there are two who handle a significant percentage of the bookings. Recently, Clubs are either booking "A" lister's only or booking non "A" lister's at significantly reduced rates. Feature dancing continues to be lucrative for the feature. The non 'A" listers, in markets over 400k people are averaging $250 per show from the club & getting booked for an average of 5 shows. Tips vary widely but averaged $2400 combined for those 5 shows. This has a lot to do with whether or not the feature is doing private dances, selling dvd's , polaroids etc. Interestingly, polaroids outsell dvd's according to the features. 5. "Private Sessions": Call it what you will but this is a reality of the business and potentially the most lucrative aspect of it. Again, this benefits the individual model rather than the companies.