Originally Posted by PR_Phil

Come on, you guys are smarter than this!

Webmasters Make Money links killed online porn? give me a break.

GFY killed the industry! not a chance, although I think GFY is usually a huge waste of time, it certainly did not destroy anything, except a few peoples reputation.

Fabian Destroyed the World! I don't think so, the damage was done while he was still working for Nats.

GTS fucked up the porn industry? really? not sure how that's possible, and yes I read the post.

In 1999 when I started in the industry, every tour I saw had a "webmasters make money" link on it, the industry continued to grow.

GFY is certainly not powerful enough to have any real effect on the industry, it's a forum full of people with nothing to do, several years ago it was full of successful people in the industry, very few trolls, very few surfers, shit got done on here, relationships were solidified, deals were made, instead of fighting, people got to know their peers and organized deals and relationships.

Fabian doesn't have the power to destroy an industry that has already been decimated, just the brains to cash in on it. Don't take that as kissing ass, I am in no way pro Manwin, but he didn't create this problem, and neither did Mansef, PornHum, YouPorn and any of the others.

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there was then a third question that was necessary to make sure the plan could really be effective, that question was. "Are you comfortable with the idea of making soooo much money off me right now, that you won't even care if a year from now you loose your company and all your other clients get screwed, cause you'll be filthy rich, and I will buy you a Lamborghini in every color of the rainbow!"

unfortunately for us, the answer to all three questions was yes! At that time, a crafty young individual in the adult space started banging cards. Soon he realized that he didn't have enough products to bang the cards as much as he wanted to, so he called another crafty young dude and said "let me send you come cross sales" dude said "sure" knowing that crafty boy 1's program did about 500 sales a say, as he assumed the risk would be low. Problem was Crafty Boy 1 started sending 2000 cross sales a day, so crafty boy 2 say "oh fuck" and confronted crafty boy 1, who in turn said "don't worry mon! I can make you as rich as you ever imagined and show you the way of the force.

problem was, crafty boy 2 then needed somewhere to send his cross sales, so he told his friend, that happened again, and again, and again. By the time anyone realized what was going on, there were a dozen large programs banging cards left and right. Some peeps in the industry finally started to wise up and said "no, not me, I will not be a part of this" so instead of bringing new guys on board, the crafty's had to start buying programs to get new products, new corps, new individuals who's names had not been tarnished. It wasn't too tough, cause those new individuals only needed to answer 1 question. "Can i ruin your reputation, your credit, and destroy your ability to cross international borders? in turn I will pay you a fuck ton of money! and hey, what's your choice, I just bought the program you ran, I could just lay you off if you don't like my idea!".

Anyways, the idea, well the absolute truth, is that 3 years ago, somewhere in the range of 20 to 25% of every person who joined a porn site was getting completely fucked in the ass, to the point where their only recourse was to cancel their credit card. The problem is that over 50% of our customers join multiple sites, move from site to site, and try new products out, often taking more than 1 trial to a pay site every month looking for the best product. What that means is that in the matter of only a couple years, all the great customers had been fucked, and once you join a free trial, and in the first 30 days amass 17 different charges totally $475, your done paying for porn, FOR GOOD!

the first time I ever went on the internet, there was free porn. When I started in this industry, there was plenty of free porn. It's no different now, the difference is, 10 years ago people preferred to get their porn from a place they considered safe, a company that build a password protected members area filled with content, where they knew they would not be looking at illegal content, where they knew the content was sheltered from the eyes of the young. People were willing to pay for that. People haven't changed, we did, people still want to get their porn from a safe place, that will not install viruses on their pc, that will not bang the shit out of their card, unfortunately, the only place they can get that safety anymore, is a place where they don't have to give out any personal information at all, the only way they know their CC will not get banged, is if they don't use it!