Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Maybe the tour-join-affiliate model has out priced itself for some. Is a join for Brazzers via an advert on a Tube better profit than one via an affiliate?

Long term the pre recorded porn business is going to shrink to a shadow of itself. There's a balance between getting it away for free and paying for it. For some consumers that point was TGPs, for the vast majority it's Tubes or piracy. The customers will determine the future for everyone. The "drive enough traffic" model is dying.

The problem is can a sponsor today satisfy both the customer and the traffic model?

We all know the problems today and can bet money nothing will change in the way of improving things. Likely hood is it will get worse. So here's the question to Allison.

Can a big site like yours afford to turn out the quality level of a porn product that customers demand and pay for the traffic model. If so what's the cost?

I don't expect anything but a yes. Would be suicide to say anything else. Still is encapsulates the problem of today.

A site making 600 joins/rebills a month is billing $9,000 assuming the whole traffic model is 50% of revenue that's $4,500 to run the site. Take out other costs and what's left for the product, base and updates? $1,000 maybe, $2,000 at the most. 3-6 solo girl scenes, 1-2 lesbian and 1 BG of a poor level.

Multiply it any way you like and see where you end up.

600 joins a day = 3-6 solo girl scenes a day, 1-2 lesbian a day and 1 BG of a poor level a day.

As a producer I need time and money to turn out a great product in my field. If I'm reduced to working for little the client can't expect a lot. If the client has to turn to someone else with the same experience as me, he must expect the same.

Now will that paysite model ever compete with enough paying customers today is the question relating to Beaner's question.