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Originally Posted by AaronM
IMHO, you are being an asshole. 
Here's why...
Your email said it was about CP & contained screen shots which were not meant for publishing etc... Any reasonable person would think twice before opening the screen cap attachments after receiving an email like this. Clearly Tom didn't open them. Instead, he replied to you and stated "If what you are sending me...." He then went on to tell you the proper way to report the site in question.
At this point you had the option to reply to him and tell him that the screen caps in fact do not contain CP. Instead you came here and starting bitching about CCBill.
Had your email been more clear as to the contents of the attachments or had you replied and assured Tom that they were not of CP images, I'll bet you would have received a different response.
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That is a valid point and obviously I didn't think about that.
For me it is clear I am never going to send any screenshots of the actual movies rather then the webpage where it is hosted. I will take this with me for the next report.
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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell
Toms reaction sounds probably much more horrible than it actually was. Leon did the right thing and kudos to him. We need to balance this with red flags going up - policy, procedure and US law. If any email like that came into MojoHost myself and business partner would have been alerted and our legal counsel Corey Silverstein would have reported to Missing and Exploited Children the URL, any evidence would have been preserved, online access removed all in some sort of order. Counsel also would have handled all of our communication to authorities and our customer. Leon and everyone you have to realize that the reality of such complaints scares the shit out of everyone, employees and owners alike.
While Toms response didn't include a thank you or any other detailed information about what might potentially have been all of their next steps or work in progress, I have a hard time believing that a proper response wouldn't have followed and unbeknownst to any notifying party. I sure hope so, anyway. I'm seeing all of these threads and still scratching my head about how they made it through initial or ongoing compliance.
Good work, Leon. I'm just baffled by the existence of all this. Whatever policies didn't keep these web sites away I am sincerely hopeful that they are discovered and completely shut down by every billing and hosting company that facilitates their existence.
What are the laws in the EU or Holland which would render that web host responsible for ceasing service? What authority is supposed to get notified? Perhaps Tim from ASACP can shed some light on the subject.
Brad
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Thanks Brad.
I think DWB inspired people here that if we actually form a front and follow up on these horrible facts we can make the difference.
It doesn't take long or complicated searches to find such content, it is right up for grabs which worries me the most.
While I agree that outing CCBill on a public forum isn't the prettiest way to do so I see no other effective alternatives right now. I just hope everyone can dedicate a few minutes of their time and report this to the proper contacts, if that doesn't help let's use GFY as a way to get things done.
In the Netherlands we have a special department of the national police (KLPD) who deals with this. Though I have to say that since we had a very large pedophile case here in the Netherlands almost all resources at the police are currently being used, leaving little to no resources left for things like this.
In terms of ceasing services, in our terms and conditions we have statements that in case any CP related complaints come in all connectivity will be disabled and the proper authorities will be contacted. I have to say though that AdultEUhost never ever got a single complaint about CP, I think that has to do with our KYC policy before we even take you on board as a customer. Verifying one's history in this industry is fairly simple.