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jimmycooper · 05-18-2012, 11:35 AM

While the np was clearly in the wrong here in this specific incident, it definitely bears worth mentioning the newspaper industry has taken a horrible beating over the past 12-13 years. There's no telling how many writers or how many ad reps have been laid off from the Oregon Times Observer over the past decade and there's no telling how many big national advertisers have pulled out of Oregon Times Observer over the past decade, but both have happened at far too many newspapers of a similar size.

What makes it even worse is that jobs at these small town newspapers are largely considered to be good jobs. Be it in ad sales or as a writer or whatever. Reason being is that over the course of many, many years, decades before that blogger was born, these newspapers became entrenched in and ultimately part of the fabric of each of their respective communities. When someone gets laid off from a paper like the NYT or WSJ, they might have to take a pay cut, but they will more than likely land on their feet. When someone gets laid off from a np like the Oregon Times Observer, there's a good chance they'll end up working part-time at Wal-Mart with no health benefits and the proliferation of blogs, copyright infringing or not, as well as a multitude of other factors, have played a large part in those jobs being lost.

Over the the course of 10 or so years, I worked as a local print negotiator and planner for a major national account. In the first year, I handled a region which had 25-30 papers which were similar in size to the Oregon Time Observer. By the time I left, after all the promotions and whatnot, I was running the entire country. Something like 520 papers. Over that time frame, I cannot tell you how many times I would tell someone on my team to 'say hi to so and so' for me during contract negotiations only to find out that so and so had been laid off. Made me sick to my stomach. When it came to negotiating, at least at first, I was able to go easy on some of the smaller papers and get their contracts approved so long as I was able to make up that money at the big ones by just going at them hardcore and doing better than anyone else could but that wasn't always the case and sometimes it just really sucked.

Sorry for the tangent. As mentioned, the np was clearly in the wrong here, but with that being said, the blogger is a major, major world class cunt for having the audacity to drive down to that town and to visit that paper and to confront that old dude and then to go back home and exploit the incident and cry out like he was such a victim while he shamelessly posted it on his blog for the sake of self promotion. What a punk. I really do wish that the old dude had beaten his ass.

05-18-2012, 11:35 AM
jimmycooper Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manhattan Posts: 4,016	While the np was clearly in the wrong here in this specific incident, it definitely bears worth mentioning the newspaper industry has taken a horrible beating over the past 12-13 years. There's no telling how many writers or how many ad reps have been laid off from the Oregon Times Observer over the past decade and there's no telling how many big national advertisers have pulled out of Oregon Times Observer over the past decade, but both have happened at far too many newspapers of a similar size. What makes it even worse is that jobs at these small town newspapers are largely considered to be good jobs. Be it in ad sales or as a writer or whatever. Reason being is that over the course of many, many years, decades before that blogger was born, these newspapers became entrenched in and ultimately part of the fabric of each of their respective communities. When someone gets laid off from a paper like the NYT or WSJ, they might have to take a pay cut, but they will more than likely land on their feet. When someone gets laid off from a np like the Oregon Times Observer, there's a good chance they'll end up working part-time at Wal-Mart with no health benefits and the proliferation of blogs, copyright infringing or not, as well as a multitude of other factors, have played a large part in those jobs being lost. Over the the course of 10 or so years, I worked as a local print negotiator and planner for a major national account. In the first year, I handled a region which had 25-30 papers which were similar in size to the Oregon Time Observer. By the time I left, after all the promotions and whatnot, I was running the entire country. Something like 520 papers. Over that time frame, I cannot tell you how many times I would tell someone on my team to 'say hi to so and so' for me during contract negotiations only to find out that so and so had been laid off. Made me sick to my stomach. When it came to negotiating, at least at first, I was able to go easy on some of the smaller papers and get their contracts approved so long as I was able to make up that money at the big ones by just going at them hardcore and doing better than anyone else could but that wasn't always the case and sometimes it just really sucked. Sorry for the tangent. As mentioned, the np was clearly in the wrong here, but with that being said, the blogger is a major, major world class cunt for having the audacity to drive down to that town and to visit that paper and to confront that old dude and then to go back home and exploit the incident and cry out like he was such a victim while he shamelessly posted it on his blog for the sake of self promotion. What a punk. I really do wish that the old dude had beaten his ass. __________________ Last edited by jimmycooper; 05-18-2012 at 11:40 AM..