Originally Posted by Far-L

Yeah, another crack on the "you do biz with manwin the evil empire" folks is not really an endorsement for believing that you really want to get anything more out of this discussion than another lynch mob against those that do biz with tubes.

People have come out and said that they sell on tubes, not only those owned by Manwin. You choose not to believe them and that is your choice to make. Many of the companies I know making bank on tubes won't come on here and say anything about it because the last thing they want is any more competition so they aren't exactly unhappy that you feel that way and neither am I.

The reasons I put in our perspective are the following. One, I don't worry about everyone else doing it because it actually takes hard work and most are unwilling to go that distance and take that trouble. Second, I have the benefit of longevity in a market based on survival of the fittest and possess the hindsight of experience to help guide progress. That means I don't just take popular opinion as "right" but try to figure things out based on what actually works for us and makes us money. Finally, we also have a reputation for helping rather than hurting the industry too. So, despite all the negativity and criticism, I am still trying to help people as I have always found alliances and marketing opportunities will grow stronger and more bountiful as a result.