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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
What I have been waiting to see are people other than the usual suspects who have spent the last year praising Manwin commenting in the thread and stating that they tried it and are now buying another luxury car or mansion based on what they are seeing. That just hasn't happened yet.
Endorsements from the usual suspects don't mean much to me because I don't see them as objective. Likewise endorsements from the bros mean little to me because we all know how there is this constant game of "I scratch your back, you scratch mine, bro" or "He's a top notch standup guy". For the last ten years this game has been used to feed one piece of bullshit after another to the industry and I think it's normal to get very skeptical whenever one sees it in play.
Take Ruseful's stats. We were all blown away by them. But then it comes out that he's pretty much like an employee of ThePornTubeGuy and together they have basically tagged teamed the topic into one big self promotion to content owners. I'm not saying he's dishonest but how stupid are we here? Whether he is sincere or not it just isn't an objective test.
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Yeah, another crack on the "you do biz with manwin the evil empire" folks is not really an endorsement for believing that you really want to get anything more out of this discussion than another lynch mob against those that do biz with tubes.
People have come out and said that they sell on tubes, not only those owned by Manwin. You choose not to believe them and that is your choice to make. Many of the companies I know making bank on tubes won't come on here and say anything about it because the last thing they want is any more competition so they aren't exactly unhappy that you feel that way and neither am I.
The reasons I put in our perspective are the following. One, I don't worry about everyone else doing it because it actually takes hard work and most are unwilling to go that distance and take that trouble. Second, I have the benefit of longevity in a market based on survival of the fittest and possess the hindsight of experience to help guide progress. That means I don't just take popular opinion as "right" but try to figure things out based on what actually works for us and makes us money. Finally, we also have a reputation for helping rather than hurting the industry too. So, despite all the negativity and criticism, I am still trying to help people as I have always found alliances and marketing opportunities will grow stronger and more bountiful as a result.
