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Old 03-23-2012, 08:57 AM  
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Originally Posted by MediaGuy View Post
Partial timelines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ber_11_attacks
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/2011...-events-11908/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...9&title=759_am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14681384

Better, more fully sourced timeline:
http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...of_9_11_events



Actually, the FAA had radar contact with the flights, just not the more detailed transponder information. I think it was NEADS who couldn't pin point radar info on their monocromatic displays...

But you say on one hand that they were over-staffed and doubly ready because of the exercises on one hand, and then that that were "completely unprepared" for events they had previously drilled for... so which is it?


Fair enough, but when notified (and let's include the Air National Guard and other agencies that were notified and quite vigilant when Payne Stewart went off course) they are usually there. Where were they four times on 9/11?


What you say sounds reasonable, but doesn't follow 9/11 Commission testimony.

Despite this highly defined chain of command, or perhaps because of it?, military response that day (and lack of availability of head contacts, absence and such, etc...) was null.

And nobody has responded or asked about Cheney changing the chain of command before 9/11...


Being "caught with their pants down" goes against their prior training and specific exercises, though... and the fact that they were in the FAA chain of notification makes them responsible for reacting to reports of errant aircraft, etc...


I mean to imply that while NORAD's particular exercises don't seem out of place that day, their occurrence at the same time as so many other drills, spontaneous, pre-scheduled and rescheduled, contributes to an environment of confusion that day that goes against proclaimed uber-readiness...


Between the first notification of a problem and the last crash an hour and a half or more later (and how could they know there weren't more at this point?), they should have been increasingly aware and ready - but weren't.


And two other hijacked planes were flying around for another hour...
I don't have time to go point to point this morning.

The US military was unable to respond on 9/11. Don't give me stories about drills and exercises; These are daily events. This is nothing out of the ordinary.

The FAA didn't discuss Flight 93 with the military until 9:50am. Thirteen minutes later Flight 93 crashed. The FAA didn't discuss Flight 77 with the military until 9:24am. Thirteen minutes later at 9:37 it crashed into the Pentagon. Thus, in each case the FAA failed to give the military enough warning to do anything. And all of this is kind of pointless anyhow - what did we expect the military to do? Standing orders were to escort hijacked planes; Shooting them prior to that morning wasn't an option.

Then factor in the mass confusion and...

This is why I feel so strongly about this. Every point you bring up about 9/11 is quick explained and shot down. You make points that sound horrible such as "They planes were up for hours, why didn't the military stop them" but the truth is in all four cases the military was given information too late to react.
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