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Originally Posted by Rochard
You fail to understand how the military works.
If my local fire department is on a training exercise, they still respond to a fire. They don't just say "We're busy". They always leave enough forces in place to handle real emergencies. In the same respect, when NORAD does a drill, it doesn't mean that all of NORAD goes offline. They take people offline and out of the chain of command to run such drills.
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There was apparently a misunderstanding of what was "real" and what was exercise, that day.
In the Wikipedia timeline, which is probably based on the 9/11 Commission, for what that's worth, only two jets are available for scramble.
It claims the jets took off and couldn't find the first hijacked jet, but doesn't source the claim. Other timelines have the alert jets sitting on the tarmac, waiting.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
In fact, NORAD had two drills that day - and because there was so many people on duty, once they discovered a real emergency, they were staffed at twice their normal level.
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So was this "too many chefs spoil the stew" or are you saying this somehow helped? (And btw I don't recall ever seeing anywhere that they were staffed at "twice their normal")...
Also, I suspect that while NORAD may have had only two drills of their own that day, they may have been also participating in a bunch of other ones, I don't recall, but they weren't the only ones coincidentally engaging in exercises that day. There were many others whose "emergency response" was on test mode ...
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Originally Posted by Rochard
However, NORAD can't really do dick about civilian airliners. Nor can our military. That's like calling the US Marines because someone robbed a bank. Short of shooting them down, there's nothing they can do.
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However they are part of the chain of command protocol when an airliner is hijacked. NEADS is notified in that part of the country, then NORAD, which is what happened...
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Originally Posted by Rochard
At the same time, you have to understand the mass confusion going on that day. The FAA wasn't sure what planes were hijacked and which planes were still airborne, no less direct the military to them.
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The FAA didn't seem so confused - they notified NEADS twelve minutes before the first crash.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
From wikipedia, oddly enough, the 9/11 conspiracy theories page:
According to The Eleventh Day: The Full Story of 9/11 and Osama bin Laden, a book about the attacks published in 2011, the longest warning NORAD received of the hijackings was some eight minutes for American Airlines Flight 11, the first flight hijacked. The FAA alerted NORAD to the hijacked Flight 175 at just about the same time it was crashing into the World Trade Center's South Tower. The FAA notified NORAD of the missing ? not hijacked ? Flight 77 three minutes before it struck the Pentagon. NORAD received no warning of the hijack of United Flight 93 until three minutes after it had crashed in Pennsylvania. |
Wikipedia should cross-check their references to their own timeline.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
And again, this is typical of the "so called truth movement" - saying our military was ordered to stand down, when the truth is more like the FAA was unable to tell anyone what was happening.
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I don't know why you keep typifying me as "so called truth movement" or mentioning them in your replies. Since the 9/11 Commission and NIST are also based on partial "truths" and findings, as well largely on hypothesis, why don't you lump them in with the "conspiracy theorists"? Because you agree with their theory?
Obviously you can't address my signifying the large amount of coincidental drills or exercises, as well as those that were re-scheduled earlier than usual or "spontaneously" conducted. Can anyone? Is there a chart somewhere or some co-ordination between agencies so that two jets aren't the only thing that stand between the country and an external or internal threat?
I mean, you do realize that four hijacked jets were able to fly loose around the North East for up to an hour and a half without being intercepted in any way, right?
And I'm not putting forward a theory of why, here; I'm saying, since there was no real explanation except for a big administrative "Oops", and then informational obfuscation, it opens many doors as to what happened and why.
Apart from the "conpiracy theorists" and "dumb cunts", the families of the victims have been asking the same questions, and were in fact responsible for any commission or so-called investigation in the first place. Are all questions out of bounds when it comes to the government story?