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Originally Posted by Rochard
The direct result of 9/11 was the US invading Afghanistan, not anywhere else. Your extending 9/11 into Iraq and "the entire region" - and your coming up with any group who might have had a profit to make selling concrete or bibles. Your just pointing fingers without having any proof.
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President Bush and his aides used Saddam's alleged relationship with al Qaida, along with Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction, as arguments for invading Iraq after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
--http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/03/10/29959/exhaustive-review-finds-no-link.html
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Originally Posted by Rochard
You said there was barium found in the debris of WTC, and said that was impossible unless there was explosives. That's not true. Barium is commonly used in fluorescent lights.
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I didn't say it was impossible, but that high levels were claimed to be indicative of incendiary activity. I may be mis-speaking and it wasn't Barium I meant; I should have just generalized about the high levels of trace elements that supported the presence of incendiaries.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
Have you ever read anything about the World Trade Center? They had natural gas lines running right up one of the towers to the restaurant there. There was restaurants below street level too.
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No, they didn't use propane or natural gas. As stated by building employees and management, these were against building code - either the city's or the WTC building code. They were all electrical. The only fuel present was the deisel in back up generators, far down in the basement, unaffected by the crashes a thousand feet and more above.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
What explosions happened before the crash?
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Those that were mentioned in testimony that was ignored by the 9/11 Commission, teh testimony of building employees who distinguished between the explosion/s from below them prior to the impact of the plane above them.
There is also the testimony of NY fire fighters that was suppressed for (I believe) at least two years before it was released.
There was much evidence of explosive occurrences before the collapses and even the plane crashes. It was under-reported, not reported or simply ignored as not coinciding with the official story, but it was recorded and remains available.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
At the moment of impact, fireballs shot down elevator shafts, to the sky lobbies, as well as down to the main lobby and the basement. This is established fact as there was dozens of witnesses. It's entirely possible that people on certain floors heard explosions below them before they knew a plane had impacted the building.
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That's highly unlikely, since they would have felt the impacts before the "fireballs" supposedly reached the basement and lobby.
People in the basement were definitely affected by explosions below them and at their levels, prior to the crashes which could be felt as coming from above. Read up on the testimony.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
The problem here is the so called truth movement has no shred of evidence that anything the government has told us is wrong. Anything the the so called truth movement says can be quickly explained away.
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Those are blanket statements that devalue any questions asked of the official story and lump anyone with doubts into the "so called truth movement", which is an ad hominem way to confront any questions or arguments.
Anything the likes of Popular Mechanics (which still clings to the progressive collapse/pancake theory) is rather flimsy in the corroboration department, and depends on theory and speculation.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
You tell us that there was "unexplained explosions" in the basement which sounds suspicious, but the truth is there was a fireball in the lobby seconds after the impact.
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These are both apparently true. Whether the fireballs were directly due to the fuel down the shafts or backdraft is in question; many think explosions caused the damage to the lobby because there wasn't the kind of scorching and damage that kind of fire would have caused, particularly in the building where most of the fuel actually exited and ignited outside.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
You tell us that barium was found in the debris and that only comes from explosives,
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You read too fast, that's not what I said.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
You tell us that propane and natural gas was prohibited, yet you have natural gas lines running up to the top of one tower to the restaurant there. (Propane was in fact banned, but this means you couldn't park your trailer in the parking garage, not using natural gas in a restaurant.)
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All the kitchens, whether residential, commercial or office, had electrical power and couldn't use gas. I may be mistaken on this, but I'm pretty certain, and it's a logical safety measure.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
The so called truth movement takes a single fact ("We found barium") and then lies about it ("It's impossible to find barium unless there are explosives") and then hides the truth ("Barium is used in fluorescent light bulbs").
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These are all statements I didn't make, and the more I read here the more I regret throwing out the Barium reference... sigh.