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Originally Posted by Rochard
So it wasn't the US government that did 9/11, but it was Chevron or Shell. Sure.
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Making sure corporate powers remain invested in your government is one of any administration's jobs, sure. And you're not reading the thread of what we're discussing. I'm not assigning blame for 9/11. Regardless who's to blame, the government, the corporate multi-nationals, millitary and armament industries, many others all have a stake in the aggressive & preemptive policies of the neo-cons, and all certainly took advantage of the situation regardless of who instigated, facilitated or engendered 9/11.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
This is what oil companies do - they take oil and sell it back to us. However, it's a lot easier for them to do when there isn't a war going on. And Afghanistan doesn't have any oil.
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I'll refer back to my "lynchpin country" argument as to the multiple apparent reasons for wanting to noose up the whole geographical/political scene over there, including Afghanistan.
As for the oil giants, if war guarantees that they won't have to make any deals or concessions with local entities or other foreign interests, then certainly they will take the temporary loss until the situation either stabilizes or control of the resources are in hands that can dole out the shares in a way that suits them.
Ten years later, and there are less and less US private firms in Iraq, and countries that had nothing to do with the invasion are now cashing in - oil, cement, telecom, you name it. The French, the Chinese, countries the US owes a lot of money to... could this be part of payback?
Obviously there's a consortium of national interests converging on the region, and we'll see how it works out.
Either way it's US forces guarding corporate resources out there in the deserts...
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Originally Posted by Rochard
So now your pointing to yet more conspiracy theories to back up your conspiracy theory?
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No, I was trying to draw a parallel between what we don't know now, and what we didn't know then in those other situations, which turned out to be conspiracy "truths" or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
So you have no "documented revelations" about any of this, but yet you claim the US Government has caused it's own drug problems.
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About the current situation we can only speculate based on past situations involving your rogues and government intelligence branch operations, which are no longer theories.
There have been multiple revelations about these "rogue" operations explicitly implicating (involving, not "implying involvement" btw) intelligence services and so on to the increased cocaine trafficking in the US. This is documented.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
So now the US military is guarding the opium fields and is supplying opium to the US? Is the US shipping Opium to the US?
That's reaching a bit don't you think?
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In comparing the current situation to previous US government services involvement with drug trafficking, drugs-for-guns exchanges, and so on, I don't think it's reaching at all. Past proven instances were in "the national interest" and "security operations" apparently that had "gone wrong", out of control, or rogue, just as the "Fast & Furious" debacle has proven to be "misguided" and all those other adjectives used when involvement has proven embarassing.
I wouldn't be surprised if US or Afghan troops were guarding poppy fields and such areas in the "national interest" or as security, and they do patrol these (rather than outright destroy them), yet all their efforts have translated to huge influxes of heroin to the European market, and re-infiltration of the north east North American distribution points.
It's connecting dots, currently, certainly, however they were predictable (which doesn't validate them yet) and are certain to grow or solidify if the right muckrackers talk to the right players...
So just in the interest of satisfying all those who want to pin-the-tail on the "culprit/s", the obvious argument is to follow the money and vault into speculation.
As to what happened on 9/11, we can't listen to the speculations and theories of the government, which refused and fought investigations, inquiries and commissions for as long as public outcry did not force their hand; and when they finally capitulated because their own "white papers" and "evidence" were not forthcoming, we were given partial testimonies, redacted reports and general white-wash re-iterations of the same speculations that emerged within 24hours of 9/11.
Anything that complemented their theory, nothing that allowed any airing of alternatives.
Iraq harbored Al Qaeda, had WMD's; now, we are told Iran can make nukes and will "wipe out Israel" against all proof to the contrary.
Same thing then, as now; only time will vindicate the theories for or against.
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