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Originally Posted by Rochard
So they discussed it in 1997... But they needed to establish peace in Afghanistan? So what your saying is it took them exactly fifteen years and three thousand American lives and they still have.... Nothing? A plan to build a pipeline? Someday?
That might just be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Are you saying the American government wanted to get oil from a "potential pipeline" that "might be built". Oil from Turkmenistan? That goes to Pakistan? Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The United States government wanted a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan so we could ship the oil half way around the world so we could decrease our dependency on Canadian oil. LOL.
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The pipeline seems a potential argument/motive for seizing Afghanistan the way it has, but as a subterfuge it's only partially likely. This is all speculative though. Who knows why these big "grand chess board" moves are really being made.
The ostensible reason for the invasion was booting once-friendly Talibans, the excuse seems to have been because the US wanted them to hand over Ben Laden.
When the Taliban said OK, please provide the evidence (or the White Paper Colin Powell said would be produced shortly), the US told them to stuff it.
There are so many theories. Under the Taliban, heroin production was reduced to a trickle from Afghanistan. Since then, it has re-exploded thanks to western removal of the Taliban. It's known the CIA uses funds from cocaine and heroin traffic to finance officially unfinanceable "black ops". So is that the reason?
My half-baked not-too-aware idea of the matter is that Afghanistan is a lynch-pin country, the first where the US could extend their military presence. They have more military bases in Afghanistan now (and permanent ones) than they have in the US.
Afghanistan sits between all the important countries in the area, Pakistan, Iran, all the "stans" (Uzbekistan and I don't remember which ones) - it's a hub and launch point for all kinds of potential (maybe actual) planned military and other strategic political and socially directed anti-regime operations.
So regardless of the theory, it's probably applicable at one point. The pipeline won't be laid until there's definite stability in the area, so it's back-burnered for now for sure.
If there was a motive for 9/11 as an "inside job" it was as the neo-coms said: to instigate American Hegemony and military presence in countries where the governments weren't already puppets, and to establish the US as the primary authoritarian body on the planet.
Also, the peak-oil theory stands up pretty well, especially now with all the "Arab Springs" springing up, where, like in Syria for example, the US has actually backed and/or teamed up with so-called "Al Qaeda" members and outfits to back the anti-regime insurgents.
The most credible umbrella-theory, if you want to call it that, is the War On Terror.
The jets are a dramatic image, use long-standing cold-war imagery and fear to establish a "terrorist" act, much more strongly than the buildings mysteriously exploding and then somehow having government agencies discovering in all the rubble that some suicide bombers had set themselves off.
That would have been probably even less believable than the current story.
As it stands, the story is graphic, dramatic, and undeniable: somebody flew those planes into the buildings.
And even though most if not all investigations into Ben Laden and Al Qaeda had been shut down or outright denied, they were able to declare within 24hrs (and much less actually) the presence of 19 undocumented and un-investigated hijackers in the employ of Ben Laden were somehow on the planes, and somehow took over multiple cockpits without causing alarms, and then pilot the things into landmarks and symbols...
And think of all the other changes the War on Terror has wrought: restraints on individual liberties, removal of personal privacy, military presence in daily life, militarization of police forces themselves, on and on... I mean they don't announce them that way in the news, but taken all together, it's basically an ongoing re-structuring of American society, and other countries by extension...