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Originally posted by nevermind
Who cares about gyms? Even if every gym on the planet is the biggest scammer on earth, what difference does it make?
We're in adult. They're not. They can probably get away with it. We can't.
You guys are going to be using the same old gym excuse to your dying day I guess ...
Whine, whine, whine ...
Gyms can scam ... why can't I?
Whine, whine, whine ...
And please don't try to tell me that porn sites are sooooo sqeaky clean on this .... Hah!
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Evidently, you don't get the reasoning behind this argument. We're pointing out the fact that we are getting picked on because we are adult companies. We're not arguing the fact that they can get away with it and we can't. We're arguing the fact that they are treated a lot more leniently and don't have bullshit fines pushed against them. We're seen as easier to pick on due to the nature of our products/services.
Wait... you're going to turn around and use the "scamming adult webmasters" argument again, right? Back up your words with facts. In case you haven't caught on, I work for Visa. When customers want to initiate a chargeback, they call me and my co-workers. And I can assure you that we get a lot more calls concerning scamming gyms, ISPs and cable companies (individually) than calls concerning adult memberships.
In fact, I dealt with one call concerning a gym yesterday, one today and an ISP problem today as well. The last time I dealt with an adult site-related chargeback was last Thursday. Those are hard facts that cannot be disputed.
As for Epoch/Paycom, the last chargeback I initiated against them was several months ago. As far as chargebacks go, ccBill and IBill have the most complaints, followed by a lot of the smaller companis (PSW, Globocharge, etc). Paycom, Globill and Jettis account for perhaps a combined 5% of the chargebacks we iniate and personally, I've only initiate one against Globill, 3 against Paycom and 6 against Jettis.