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Originally Posted by Robbie
the only people who are profiting are the sites who allowed user uploads of stolen content and then deliberately removed the watermarks and started selling ad space to dating, cams, penis pills, etc.
I know what you think you know. But can you tell me one good example of somebody (an affiliate) who is somehow taking advantage of these sites and seeing great sales from them (and doesn't actually own one of the big sites)?
'Cause I see what my affiliates do in 2011. And it's about 1% of what they could do in 2007 for sales and traffic.
When I talk directly to other program owners it's the same thing. We are all generating our own traffic for the majority of sales in 2011.
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Unlike most of GFY posts who are sci-fi, your ones are often quite saying the real status of this biz
We run cams, most new users come from our own purchase of traffic directly from "tubes" (most of which are indeed made of not so licensed content, one italian director friend of mine found in such a tube one of his late 1990's movies and he was even happy as he lost his own copy LOL), or indirectly via banner networks appearing on tubes, and sites related to tubes (CJ's traffishop/trafficholder etc. which feeds the tube and tube pay back $1 per 1000 uniques or so).
We have nearly no affiliates, except plugin in member areas, so programs it is 90% of our affiliates, and sadly to say (but I surprise no one) their pay users decrease every year, so the future it seems to buy from tubes and sites who link exchange with tubes etc.
It is not the fault of the cam sites, that we get same or more sales from pirate sites, than from other sources, it is mostly a matter of total amounts: a pay site member area can have a conversion 1:10 but send me 10 and every year sends me less (and I don't see so many new programs or sites launched?), a tube convert 1:10,000 but sends me a million, and new tubes are out every day, so do your math, from where a cam site should get its traffic in order to grow? I assume pills and dating it is same. No idea hw it is for pay sites with prerecorded content, I do cams to have not to think at this.
I reported other times here, that by accident (due to ad networks) we got our banners (or skimmed traffic redirects) from full DVD and site rips sites - not tubes with 320x240 video, I mean sites with collection of the whole HD content of a member area uploaded in rapidshare links - or dvdrip - and we GOT SALES, pay users. What we should do - we are not hero's, we want signups.
We used to buy ads from cam4.com too - this is user generated by for real, by live cams, nothing stolen. Tried to buy ads in chaturbate too but they no more advertise other cam sites and I can understand it, since they support now private and group etc.
Maybe to "fight" the stolen content (pirate user uploaded) sites, there should be more "user generated" esp. live sites. As it is cam4 or chaturbate - or our tubecamgirl. A live cam stream can be a recorded (stolen) video too, but it is very rare as it can be caught quickly (chaturbate have a "this is recorded" button that users can click to vote that this is not live), so you should know that all what it is in site, it is user generated live and so not (pirate collection) user uploaded.
But really user generated sites like that can be counted on fingers of 1 hand, while pirate user uploaded ones (I will not comment on tube owner uploading himself lol) are infinite - this is because it is easier and cheaper to setup, and there are traffic networks you can join quickly and bringing income, all quite solid and tested, nothing really custom or new.
One final thing: you can put out of the DNS some major tube domain names, and major torrent and "rapidsharing" sites, but the minor torrent searching tools are quite hard to shut down them all. With big tubes (and let's have rapidshares and netsonic's) out of dns, more people would move to plain torrents with trackers backups. We will see.