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dj_sniffy · 06-10-2003, 03:08 PM

in response to MrPopup

On your point about us building up a potential powerful data analysis tool, yes that could be one possibility. how we handle the data is a sensitivity and privacy issue.

You wrote that we were asking webmasters for open access to their content... we aren't asking the webmasters anything. we are actually asking the sponsors to hire us to monitor their affiliates. whether the affiliate consented to the monitoring by the sponsor, or was a term of condition, it's not our issue. i don't mean to sound crass here when i say we don't need the webmaster's permission to visit their site. Web surfers don't ask permission of the website to view it. you don't ask permission from Billboards to view their signs on the side of the road. As webmasters, you open your property for visitors to come in. If the visitor is being bad, you ban them. If sniffy is being bad, you block him. But since sniffy is to be a good guest, it shouldn't be that much of an issue.

Since our business involves the sponsors, we aren't working or conversing to each individual webmaster, nor needing to make any arrangements with them.

>Will you be selling or renting the information you compile to anyone?

the data gathered from the sniffy operations goes first to serving the sponsor in only relaying to them of a red flag occurence of CP material, nothing more. secondly, the data can and will be used for whatever directions we feel the data serves. could it be used for evil? no. are we going to spy on webmasters, no. are we going to figure out what we can do with the data besides monitoring for CP, yes.

>You've mentioned you are forming relationships with representatives of law enforcement - will the nature of that relationship be limited to the exchange of cp information only?

yes, but that relationship is better served through ASACP. ASACP is spearing the effort to unite webmasters against CP, and already have the working connections to law enforcement. we look to be a service solution that is a commercial venture, but also directly supports ASACP efforts.

ASACP receives thousands of leads every month in people who report CP sites. Sniffy is to be one of those group of people.

>Will you contract out your data analysis service to anyone else?

no, our data is used for internal purposes.

in much like how open source software is scrutinized, i personally appreciate you and others responses. while we are not opening our source code for review, we are trying to explain and discuss our solution to the problem.

there are so many issues and challenges that we will face, and you have certainly presented some great questions for us to think about. it is with this debate and discussion that helps us to understand the bigger picture.

on one hand we are saying, "trust us, Lee Noga has been around for a long time, and she has always held her integrity". we are not saying we are some outside, mainstream dot-com, looking to come into this space and throw alot of buzz words. we are saying we are from within the industry, have a possible solution, and also, looking to be a for-profit venture.

the more that this industry self-monitors, the less invitation it offers for congress to legislate. we have already seen their attempts at trying to ban the industry... we should look more towards their intent, rather than the methods.. they are trying to protect children and minors, but maybe their methods are heavy handed (shout out to the ACLU and EFF). Lee and I do believe that sniffy does provide one type of self-monitoring that will first protect the sponsor, but in the bigger picture, help to promote to congress and to mainstream that the adult industry shares same bedfellow values of protecting minors from CP.

-dj

06-10-2003, 03:08 PM
dj_sniffy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 47	in response to MrPopup On your point about us building up a potential powerful data analysis tool, yes that could be one possibility. how we handle the data is a sensitivity and privacy issue. You wrote that we were asking webmasters for open access to their content... we aren't asking the webmasters anything. we are actually asking the sponsors to hire us to monitor their affiliates. whether the affiliate consented to the monitoring by the sponsor, or was a term of condition, it's not our issue. i don't mean to sound crass here when i say we don't need the webmaster's permission to visit their site. Web surfers don't ask permission of the website to view it. you don't ask permission from Billboards to view their signs on the side of the road. As webmasters, you open your property for visitors to come in. If the visitor is being bad, you ban them. If sniffy is being bad, you block him. But since sniffy is to be a good guest, it shouldn't be that much of an issue. Since our business involves the sponsors, we aren't working or conversing to each individual webmaster, nor needing to make any arrangements with them. >Will you be selling or renting the information you compile to anyone? the data gathered from the sniffy operations goes first to serving the sponsor in only relaying to them of a red flag occurence of CP material, nothing more. secondly, the data can and will be used for whatever directions we feel the data serves. could it be used for evil? no. are we going to spy on webmasters, no. are we going to figure out what we can do with the data besides monitoring for CP, yes. >You've mentioned you are forming relationships with representatives of law enforcement - will the nature of that relationship be limited to the exchange of cp information only? yes, but that relationship is better served through ASACP. ASACP is spearing the effort to unite webmasters against CP, and already have the working connections to law enforcement. we look to be a service solution that is a commercial venture, but also directly supports ASACP efforts. ASACP receives thousands of leads every month in people who report CP sites. Sniffy is to be one of those group of people. >Will you contract out your data analysis service to anyone else? no, our data is used for internal purposes. in much like how open source software is scrutinized, i personally appreciate you and others responses. while we are not opening our source code for review, we are trying to explain and discuss our solution to the problem. there are so many issues and challenges that we will face, and you have certainly presented some great questions for us to think about. it is with this debate and discussion that helps us to understand the bigger picture. on one hand we are saying, "trust us, Lee Noga has been around for a long time, and she has always held her integrity". we are not saying we are some outside, mainstream dot-com, looking to come into this space and throw alot of buzz words. we are saying we are from within the industry, have a possible solution, and also, looking to be a for-profit venture. the more that this industry self-monitors, the less invitation it offers for congress to legislate. we have already seen their attempts at trying to ban the industry... we should look more towards their intent, rather than the methods.. they are trying to protect children and minors, but maybe their methods are heavy handed (shout out to the ACLU and EFF). Lee and I do believe that sniffy does provide one type of self-monitoring that will first protect the sponsor, but in the bigger picture, help to promote to congress and to mainstream that the adult industry shares same bedfellow values of protecting minors from CP. -dj __________________ i can type, but i can't spel.