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epitome · 10-30-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

You seriously need to lighten up man. The Westboro Baptist Church protests in small groups and they follow the letter of the law. Yes they are reprehensible pieces of shit but they keep their groups small and don't do anything to incite police.

You ever listen to the Opie and Anthony Show on Sirius/XM? They have an intern that goes to the OWS in NYC every day and is completely for the cause, and even he admits that there are tons of shit bags with different agendas that are also protesting and inciting police. Trust me, no one distrusts police more than me, but the OWS protests are so big that there are plenty of idiots fucking it up for the legitimate protesters. In addition, the NYPD officers that are assigned to OWS fucking hate being there. They have retirement and pensions that they can lose if they are caught on camera doing something stupid, and everyone there has a camera.

OWS has no clear agenda, and because of that every homeless person, drifter, and crazy person with an agenda is hanging out there and it's a recipe for disaster...

I need to lighten up because in America a tiny hate group can do what they want but a large movement gets shot up with tear gas and rubber bullets? FUCK THAT SHIT!

Here is a nice Q&A about "permits" from the ACLU:

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Q. Do I need a permit before I engage in free speech activity?

A. Not usually. However, certain types of events require permits. Generally, these events are: 1) a march or parade that does not stay on the sidewalk and other events that require blocking traffic or street closures; 2) a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or 3) a rally at certain designated parks or plazas, such as federal property managed by the General Services Administration. Many permit procedures require that the application be filed several weeks in advance of the event. However, the First Amendment prohibits such an advance notice requirement from being used to prevent rallies or demonstrations that are rapid responses to unforeseeable and recent events. Also, many permit ordinances give a lot of discretion to the police or city officials to impose conditions on the event, such as the route of a march or the sound levels of amplification equipment. Such restrictions may violate the First Amendment if they are unnecessary for traffic control or public safety, or if they interfere significantly with effective communication with the intended audience. A permit cannot be denied because the event is controversial or will express unpopular views

Q. If organizers have not obtained a permit, where can a march take place?

A. If marchers stay on the sidewalks and obey traffic and pedestrian signals, their activity is constitutionally protected even without a permit. Marchers may be required to allow enough space on the sidewalk for normal pedestrian traffic and may not maliciously obstruct or detain passers-by.

Q. Can the government impose a financial charge on exercising free speech rights?

A. Increasingly, local governments are imposing financial costs as a condition of exercising free speech rights, such as application fees, security deposits for clean-up, or charges to cover overtime police costs. Unfortunately, such charges that cover actual administrative costs or the actual costs of re-routing traffic have been permitted by some courts. However, if the costs are greater because an event is controversial (or a hostile crowd is expected) ? such as requiring a large insurance policy ? then the courts will not permit it. Also, regulations with financial requirements should include a waiver for groups that cannot afford the charge, so that even grassroots organizations can exercise their free speech rights. Therefore, a group without significant financial resources should not be prevented from engaging in a march simply because it cannot afford the charges the City would like to impose.

The Tea Party is suing to get their close to $10,000 back in permit fees as they were charged them and Occupy Richmond was not. I hope the Tea Party wins their case and Constitutional rights are restored those who wish to exercise their rights to free speech together with other citizens!