Compete with Twistys/OT? Watch out Manwin!

Your numbers are all skewed Paul. Just totally wrong.

If there were any solo girl sites with 10,000 members they would be millionaires.

Your numbers have all kinds of crazy overhead that just doesn't exist. For instance...9 out of 10 sales we get are type in traffic. Affiliates barely register on sales anymore. So right off the bat your "traffic costs" are wrong.

I would NEVER add 1 scene a day. That's just crazy for a solo girl site. And would quickly burn out our members. Nope...one every couple of weeks has been the key to success for us. Of course we supplement that with a free live cam show every week and member interaction via members area email and a members area "wall" so they are always in touch with CM

Basically what I'm saying is...our overhead is almost non-existant. For every $29.99 sale that is a type in I'm making $27 of it. CM doesn't get paid per scene. And I don't pay the male talent at all. My hosting bill is $1400 every month for ALL my boxes (not just CM)

I bought my gear (lights and cameras) years ago so that is all paid for already (though I do of course upgrade occassionally...but compared to what we make it's nothing)

Just saying...for a solo girl site, there is no need to hire a photographer/videographer or have much of any expenses.

2,000 members and I will profit $500,000 a year. And that's just on paysite sales. Doesn't count all the money that the "fame" brings in on her doing cams. And it doesn't count the money it brings in for her doing appearances at clubs, bachelor parties, etc.

All in all it's easily a cool million a year profit for a "mom and pop" operation like ours with a strong work ethic, the knowledge and skill neccessary, and the talent.

I'm not sure where you think those numbers you posted come from. But for a solo girl site you are putting up WAY too much overhead.

Honestly? I've never crunched the numbers down (my accountant does that). But just looking at Stats Remote and knowing my overhead off the top of my head...I'd say that total overhead is less than 10% (maybe even lower) for us.

Your numbers are all skewed Paul. Just totally wrong.

If there were any solo girl sites with 10,000 members they would be millionaires. .

By solo girl, I mean a site with solo girls scenes. Not a site with only one girl.

Unless he cherishes his Troll award then ignoring him may break his heart and have grave consequences.

Paul, also most pay sites bill monthly not 30$ a year, so take your 200k and put that into monthly and you might be a bit better. IMO though your math is just so far off that you cannot have any understanding of a site doing 100 plus sales a day.

This discussion is like reading what some random guy walking into porn brand new would think the numbers were. Just totally lost.

A site doing 10,000 joins and retains a year at $30 = $300,000
A site doing 100 a day, joins and retains at $30 = $3,000 a day and $1,095,000 annually.
A site doing 100 joins a day and retains on average 2 months $30 = $6,000 a day and $2,190,000 annually.

My figures were based on yearly. Where are they wrong?

As I stated each case has to be looked at individually.

Robbie has little cost for content once he's bought equipment. CM is free. It seems they both work the traffic game themselves. And a great Ma & Pa operation. Nothing to do with my examples.

Manwin have probably found Tubes are far cheaper than affiliates and they're big enough to need a different model. It's easy to try and pick small holes in general examples.

10,000 sign ups and retain for a years is. 27.3 joins and retains a day. Is that figure so hard for a site like Met-Art, Twistys, etc?

Robbie applying it to him. It should be obvious what I was talking about.

A site with only 80 scenes in getting 110 joins or retains a day (40,000 a year).

For most it's their dream. Still once you start to drop lower than my lowest number of 10,000 you see how tough it gets. Go to low and 15% processing can kick in. Still costs the same to set up and run.

Remember prior to the drop of hosting BW prices. This was a big cost for some going the affiliates route with galleries and affiliates they hosted for.

I calculated traffic at 33% of sales rev going to affiliates and added the rest to cover promoting, marketing and support of affiliates. We all know some affiliates demanded a lot more than 50%.

It's great that Paul's posted numbers because it shows just how lost he is. Honestly if he's been in the online business for this long and those are the numbers he believes to be true there is nothing any of us can do to help him, actually there is something we can do we can all set him to ignore. If we all did that and every one of his threads had 0 replies he may actually leave here and in some weird way it may end up benefiting him. Unless he cherishes his Troll award then ignoring him may break his heart and have grave consequences.

Maybe I did get my calculations wrong. Point out where and I'll go back and redo them. Give us the numbers then.

All I know is that when talking to the top sponsors, like you, they were unable to pay enough to compete with what we earned elsewhere. I doubt if you could afford a Holly, Viv or Steve full time. Might of been able to afford one of their shooters who worked under them.

So you couldn't of done better employing a top shooter. Or couldn't afford one or didn't think of it.

Today I suspect reading what most are posting 10 sign ups a day are good. You saw the writing and jumped ship.

I'm off for the nigt. Been fun.

Tomorrow I expect someone to come up with more than "You're wrong"

Minimum is where I'm wrong and not Robbie applying it to Ma & Pa.

Mind you my admin costs didn't include staff, offices, etc.

Just to recap, actually, what happened was you posted saying that these two pictures were better than Twisty's and OT.




Then you lied, (imagine that, you, lying!) saying I said they were shit. Then I asked you to quote me saying that, and you couldn't. Then someone else asked you to quote me saying that, and you couldn't. Because you are a liar. A nasty, little liar.

That's all.

Bless you and your lack of suit.

Heheh.

xoxoxox

Well done for trying. It's sweet.

Now, quote me saying that. I asked Paul to and he can't. See if you can.

Or else I'll just start making shit up you didn't say.

Maybe I did get my calculations wrong. Point out where and I'll go back and redo them. Give us the numbers then.

All I know is that when talking to the top sponsors, like you, they were unable to pay enough to compete with what we earned elsewhere. I doubt if you could afford a Holly, Viv or Steve full time. Might of been able to afford one of their shooters who worked under them.

So you couldn't of done better employing a top shooter. Or couldn't afford one or didn't think of it.

Today I suspect reading what most are posting 10 sign ups a day are good. You saw the writing and jumped ship.

I'm off for the nigt. Been fun.

Tomorrow I expect someone to come up with more than "You're wrong"

Minimum is where I'm wrong and not Robbie applying it to Ma & Pa.

Mind you my admin costs didn't include staff, offices, etc.