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Old 10-27-2011, 07:40 AM  
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham View Post
Better still, tell me why that are working for a few hundred bucks a set?

Posting 5 pics of what is basically 2 poses isn't "set" photography. It's Calender photography which is another level all together.

This is what Micheal shoots as a set. Not all of the set is shown in some of these thumb pages that would get submitted.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.p...0%29&i d=6000

Just a few.

Now if they did shoot this level they have to explain why they left a fortune on the table by shooting for online. Because in now way did online pay anything like what offline paid. We earned more from the stores than we would of by selling the scenes once.

I know from looking at sets in paysites, including Twistys, the spread of shots, repeated poses and missed poses. Would of got a set rejected.

This from an online site.



70 images with what is basically only 13 shots. Why? Because online was obsessed with quantity. Put that on your computer and play it in a slide show and it's just repeat after repeat.

The same goes for video. Few wanted 3 good solo girl scenes for $500 a scene. They wanted 5 poor scenes for $300. No one would pay $1500 for one great solo girl scene. So members areas were boring a lot of the times and retention sucked, then conversions slid. Because surfers became more and more wise that a members area wouldn't deliver.

I know you were doing 100 sign ups a day and they were staying 3 months. Think of doing 1,000 a day and staying 6 months. What ever the numbers were, they should of been better.

Consider maybe as many as 90% of offline shooters are like me. Freelance guns for hire. Ask us to shoot a scene and we will nod yes. Tell us $500 to $700 a solo girl scene exclusive and we will say no. I've no doubt some spent more than $700 for solo girl, but that was to cover the cost of the models. What ended up in the shooters pockets wasn't enough, IMO, to get the Viv's, Steve's and Micheal's of the business shooting for them consistently.

In no way do I blame the shooters. This is purely down to the sponsors.

You saw guys throwing money around like it was confetti, we saw a different picture when it came to buying the product.
I only posted 5 from the Twistys set because there are only 5 are available for promotion. See here.

http://girls.twistys.com/preview/du/...Tg4ODEwOjE0OjE

With that being said, though, I was somehow able to track down 15 additional photos from what is clearly the same shoot on the ad tools page for the website of the photographer, or as you like to say, 'shooter'. Here you go.

http://www.hollyrandall.com/freephot...OjU,0,0,0,2449

I'm surprised that you didn't immediately recognize the Twistys photos given that Holly's work has appeared in more than a few magazines over the years. See here.



"I?ve shot for Penthouse, Hustler, Playgirl, High Society, Club, Cheri, Genesis, to name a few." - Holly Randall

Photographer Holly Randall's photo of GiGi has landed on the cover of Hustler magazine and now her work has graced the cover of every major adult magazine - a rare feat. - AVN

Not to mention a few books. Real, actual books which are available for purchase.



http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...x=holly+randal

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