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Originally Posted by DamianJ
I think the root of anyone's problems is the thing you need to address. Do you think all the case studies and proof of that are wrong?
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I totally agree with you. The root is what needs to be worked on. I believe that the main problems are 1) a physical reaction that produces a craving 2) a mental issue and 3) a lack of power
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Originally Posted by DamianJ
I was paraphrasing. But the idea seemed to me to be "Don't take any responsibility for your actions and trust in god and all will be cool.
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This is where you are wrong. Most alcoholics don't know what their problem is or why they drink. The 4th step is the action step where the alcoholic figures out what character defects cause him to tic. Then move on to the 9th step where they fess up and make amends for everything they've done wrong. These are not easy steps for anyone and it's all about taking responsibility for your actions.
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Originally Posted by DamianJ
See, I have an issue with that one really. You are not powerless over alcohol. You *chose* to have a drink.
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Real alcoholics have lost the power of choice when it comes to alcohol. They seem to forget the consequences of what alcohol does to them. I suspect that's part of the mental issue. For most alcoholics, their problem isn't alcohol. Their problems are centered in their mind (ego, selfishness, frightened or over emotional) Alcohol "takes the edge off" these perceived problems and makes life manageable. Alcohol is actually their solution to their problems.
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Originally Posted by DamianJ
And the other main issue is 'spirituality' doesn't really work as a replacement for 'god'/'higher power'.
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I'm not going to get into the debate of "spirituality" over "god/hp." Whatever works to get the alcoholic out of themselves will do the trick.
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However, I am really glad for anyone it has helped. Just making some points.
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You know what amazes me? The 12 steps have been around since 1939! And with all the advancements in science and technology, These 12 principals seem to be the best shot for a dying alchy. They've literally saved millions of people from a seemingly hopeless state.