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Old 10-24-2011, 10:02 AM  
JayDeeZee
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Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
Yes. Because spirituality is for the weak, those who need to put the control of their life into the hands of something not there. Not measurable, not scientific. Just blind faith. Like a
fairy tale.

Atheists usually prefer a science-based approach, like CBT. (not the BDSM variety)

That is, at least, proven to work, is measurable and doesn't rely on any bullshit 'power' or 'spirituality' that can't be shown to be there.

The 12 steps do not tackle the ROOT of why you are addicted to your addiction. It just says "everything cool, trust in god". I think tackling the root of the issue would be better. This is why so many 12 steppers are massive smokers/coffee freaks. Transference of addiction.
What do you think the ROOT is? Where does it say "Everything is cool, trust in god"?

Let's take god out of the steps - Here's the agnostic version of the steps:


1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol- that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe and to accept that we needed strengths beyond our awareness and resources to restore us to sanity.

(Original: Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.)

3. Made a decision to entrust our will and our lives to the care of the collective wisdom and resources of those who have searched before us.

(Original: Made a decision to turn our wills and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.)

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to ourselves without reservation and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

(Original: Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.)

6. Were ready to accept help in letting go of all our defects of character.

(Original: Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.)

7. With humility and openness sought to eliminate our shortcomings.

(Original: Humbly asked him to remove our shortcomings.)

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.

11. Sought through meditation to improve our spiritual awareness, make recovery a priority and to discover the power to carry out that way of life.

(Original: Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.)

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to others and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
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