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All I was saying Will76, is that he would get no where telling her to STFU to her face, and that a much better idea would be to sit down and talk to her. There's nothing wrong with giving anyone the benefit of the doubt long enough to hear the story.
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You would also get no where talking to her nicely, she has already had the benefit of the doubt and the over whelming evidence and her actions prove what her intentions are.
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You're saying that she knows she's running a con. You can certainly think this, but you can't really know it.
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If she is not running a con then tell me how the children are being protected.
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Insulting me and calling me stupid isn't fair especially since I didn't call you stupid. I also never said that she would change her ways as I am sure she is committed to her cause. ALL I am saying that much can be learned, from BOTH SIDES, with a little bit of open dialog.
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Perhaps you should read again, I never called you stupid. I said it was stupid to think someone could sit down and talk to Joan and have that accomplish something. That would be like sitting down with Bernie Madoff and questioning some accounting irregularities your find while looking over his books.
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If the .XXX debate is ever going to be truly settled one way or the other, it has to be through noise-free conversation, wouldn't you agree?
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WTF are you talking about. The people involved with .XXX have an agenda. There is no debate. There is no reasoning with them. Their agenda is to make as much money as possible, period. They will lie, cheat, steal to accomplish that. Which is why I said yelling at her and calling her cunt would be no different then sitting down and talking to her nicely, neither will get you anywhere.
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Not at all. All I said was "She seems nice" and was "Nice to us". I am not defending Joan in any way. I'm doing is asking questions. You are full of hate towards Joan for reasons which seem only opinion based.
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You are ignorant, you basing your opinion on someone from a couple short meetings and not their actions over the last several years. Obviously you haven't been paying attention to how ASACP and Joan were involved with ICM over the last couple years.
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No Will76, not at all. She was nice to me, period. She seems like a nice person, period. She didn't talk to me at all about .XXX, or ASACP, or RTA. She didn't sell me anything, or take any time manipulating me towards anything, about anything, at any time.
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some of the worst people come across as being nice, hence why they are good at manipulating people.