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				Morning all, 
 
I'd like to propose an idea for a GNOME project, and to surprise and shock 
the jaded folks out there, actually commit to getting off my monkey-butt and 
do something about it. 
 
 
Whilst thinking about another problem I'd like to tackle within the Free 
Software community (the lack of mentorship), I stumbled upon an unfortunate 
communications problem that we should really make an effort to help out 
with: some developers simply don't speak English. 
 
It's quite easy to get involved as someone with an English-speaking 
background, or as a dual or multi-linguist (as a large majority of Europeans 
are). However, I think we're really missing out on some great hackers, 
documenters and contributors - pretty much because we can't communicate. 
 
I've been asking and listening for comments about this, and it's pretty 
worrying when you hear about patches and bug-reports being passed over 
simply because the language was unfamiliar. 
 
I've heard some definite cases of code not being submitted because the 
authors either didn't know how, or were too intimidated by a predominantly 
English-speaking community to try. 
 
As I place my tongue firmly in cheek, I'll tell you there is a flaw in 
GNOME's ambitions for world domination: We're ignoring half the planet.   
 
 
So, I propose an as-yet unnamed project to help non-English-speaking 
developers get together and talk, hopefully to ensure that we don't miss 
out on contributions that would otherwise fall through the cracks. 
 
This is similar to the goals of the GNOME Translation Project, but looking 
more at how developers relate to each other than users relate to their 
software. I'm sure the i18n gang will be able to help out with this one. 
 
[Yes, I would like to expand this project into the greater Free Software 
community, but GNOME is my first love, and thus deserves my time!] 
 
 
Stuff to do: 
 
 * Set up a list of developers and languages, so you can easily find 
   people who speak a certain language (or more importantly, two!) 
 
 * Perhaps set up a mailing list to discuss the difficulties that 
   non-English speakers come across, and how to rectify them 
 
 * Set up a website to promote both of the above (almost definitely use a 
   web-browsable database for the first point) 
 
 * Work with the i18n group to find contributors, and continue making 
   excellent translations (this project would assist the GTP, rather than 
   compete with it) 
 
 * Other stuff, as there's always other stuff 
 
 
So - that's my spiel. ;) Let me know if it's a good idea, or whether I'm on 
something (I'm subscribed to both lists) and definitely send more ideas this 
way - I'd love to hear them. 
 
- Jeff (who speaks but one language) 
 
 
[Originally posted to both -devel-list and i18n-list, as I didn't realise 
this was in fact just -i18n!] 
 
 
-- [email protected] ----------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- 
 
        Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so 
                     cold of heart as never to express it. 
			
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