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Actually the core didn't have "dozens" of columns compromised. The only part/s of the plane that could have affected the core were the engines, and nowhere near "dozens" were compromised.
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Of course dozens of columns were compromised. Here's a picture:
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In the case of both towers, the top section tilted towards the face that had buckled, behaving largely as a solid block separate from the rest of the building. It fell at least one story in freefall and impacted the lower sections with a force equivalent to over thirty times its own weight. This was sufficient to buckle the columns of the story immediately below it; the block then fell freely through the distance of another story. Total collapse was now unavoidable as the process repeated through the entire height of the lower sections. The force of each impact was also much greater than the horizontal momentum of the section, which kept the tilt from increasing significantly before the falling section reached the ground. It remained intact throughout the collapse, with its center of gravity within the building's footprint. After crushing the lower section of the building, it was itself crushed when it hit the ground.
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Again, the supports holding the floor in place - between what was left of the outer shell and the inner core fell. It fell down at least one story with the force of 300 tons. It took out the floor below it, and the floor below that.
The videos you showed (which surprised me really) seem to be more of the support of the building failing, which caused it the building to lean. In this case, the supports were still in place, but the floors were no longer attached to it. The floors fell down on each other, and continued to fall taking out other floors until it started to pull the entire structure with it.
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This would be fin if 20-tonne pieces of the WTC towers weren't flung 600 feet away.
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You've mentioned this before and I'm not sure why. Your saying that the buildings fell straight down, but 20 ton pieces were flung 600 feet away? Which is it?
You need to understand the size of the towers. They were 210 feet wide - each side. When the towers fell, they took up more than 200 feet by 200 feet at the base. The towers went down hundreds of feet taking out a subway station, parking, and shopping centers, and also went out too. Millions of tons of concrete fell, and it should come as no surprise that it fell 600 feet away. Just think about the amount of force those tons of steel and concrete and what not fell.... An entire city block was destroyed - a huge city block.
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Also, if your pile-driver theory were valid, why would it take so little time? What you're advocating is that somehow uncompromised floors reacted the same as compromized/weakened floors, and that the whole thing could have fallen in ten seconds instead of 100 or so seconds, if it took about one second per floor as it should have if the 9already discredited0 pancake theory were valid.
Ok so the lower floors were uncompromised, even still presurrized - so why did they fall or collapse so easily?
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A slab of concrete weighing 300 tons was suspended between the outer shell and the inner core. It fell, and when it fell it fell an entire story - what's that, fourteen feet? More? - and slammed into another 300 ton floor. Your looking at the floor below it as something that should stop the falling, but it didn't. The joints were meant to support 300 tons, not 300 tons and another 300 tons falling on top of it. Now 600 tons of steel and concrete are falling onto another floor. Your thinking it should have met with resistance at each floor, but the truth is none of the floors had any hope of holding this for even a fraction of a second and it quickly picked up momentum because it was picking up mass and weight.
You also mentioned how quickly the towers fell. Did they really fall that fast?
On this video, we can see the tower started to collapse at the fourteen second mark. However, that's only what we can see. We can't what was happening inside of the building; We can't see see if entire floors fell before that mark.
We also can't see when the building finally stopped - it's covered in dust. Seems to me on this video it was fifteen seconds, but that's only what we can see.
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There is in fact not really a "logical explanation" for most of what happened, without new qustions arising each and every time. What bugs me about all this is the huge amount of unanswered questions, from the building construct to the family members who have simply been ignored.
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And I think there is a logical explanation for everything.
Why did WTC7 fall? Because billions of tons of concrete fell at it's doorstep. You don't question why a bridge falls during an earthquake, but a building that has millions of tons of concrete dropped at it's doorstep, destroying the entire front of the building, suffering earthquake like movements, and being on fire fifteen hours... What do you think is gonna happen?
Here's a picture of the progression of damage of WTC7...
Everything here is completely explained.
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Well, back when the US was friends with the Taliban, they were needing security for the pipeline. Now with permanent bases they've gotten that security.
But Afghanistan was just a rehearsal for Iraq, and meant to look like they were hunting for bin Laden. Of course that's my conjecture and I could provide lots of links that refer to that,, but that doesn't have that much to do with the 9/11 attacks directly...
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And again with the oil and the pipeline. Ten years after 9/11 this pipeline hasn't been built! And who is behind this magical pipeline that doesn't yet exist? Take a look at the first sentence on
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The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline (TAP or TAPI) is a proposed natural gas pipeline being developed by the Asian Development Bank.
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But even if this pipeline was to be build, it changes nothing. There's already pipelines in place without going through Afghanistan.
At the same time keep in mind where the bulk of America gets it's oil from - Canada and Mexico. If this was about oil and pipelines, why haven't we knocked off Canada and Mexico? We don't even need an excuse to fuck with Mexico....