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Originally Posted by plsureking
toys are not porn. just because it is related to sex does not make it porn. they are in the adult industry, but that is a huge macro market.
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Still a market over looked.
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it actually seems like your problem is you are comparing online porn to many other markets, rather than focusing on what online porn IS. you have a problem with online porn -> you can't figure out how to make money online anymore. or, you can't make the money you want. this is your problem, not everybody's problem. that's where i came up with the throat cancer analogy. you think because you have a problem, everybody must have the same problem. its simply not true.
i don't compare online porn to other markets (magazines, toys, sex shops), and i dont compare today's online market to the online market we saw 5-10 years ago. i get up every morning, find out where the opportunities are, and i make some money. if there's a new niche getting everybody excited, i check it out, even if its a dead niche tomorrow. today is what matters.
there are still thousand of stock traders making money every day, even tho we are in a deep recession and many went broke. so is the financial industry dead?
you are macro analyzing the online market and you are failing. your failure is producing negativity, which is counter-productive to our business and incredibly annoying. there are a lot of people in this business making a living with online porn. just because you are not does not mean the online market is dead.
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Seriously and not flaming or having a go at you, but you couldn't be more wrong. This is the problem with so many, they read flamers then make up their own stories. Often to fit what they think is right.
So lets examine the truth. And think about it.
I'm a shooter. In 1999 I was faced with a decision about going online. Whether to expand the number of brokers, open my own content store or open a paysite.
I spoke to many brokers at the Internext show in Vegas. Most came over as people not to be trusted or people who didn't have a clue what would sell or didn't have the money to pay me $300 a set for the license to sell online to other companies. They spoke about how much more I would make if I allowed them to sell exclusive for them. When talking to a man who offers you a $1,000 on a promise, for something you will sell for $300, you get suspicious.
So came home, got a programmer and opened our own store.
We were frankly amazed at the sales. If you were around then you will remember the saying "Non exclusive is saturated." To saturate a set in a members area, I need to sell it many times. It's main stream Teens niche. 20 sales would never saturate a set. Then there was often a video on top of the set.
After a set had stopped selling, around 2 years we would ship it to Bargain Basement for $5 to $10. Can you imagine how many times people will buy sets at this price? Selling it 100 times isn't unusual. Eva and I could never understand why people with content stores would shoot custom for people paying $300 for a set and video.
All this after the server and programming was paid was profit. The sets were already in profit because of sales offline.
Go figure what 2000 sets and 500 videos have made over the years. Online and offline.
During my years online I met countless site owners big and small. The picture many get is these guys are making millions. The picture I got was different. When it came to buying content these guys were always pleading poverty.
When it came time to open a site we used the content we had made money off many times on the paysite, just another level of making money from the same content.
If you remember the flame Squealer attempted to inflict on me here's some point. We had a studio, studio staff, office and office staff including programmers. Plus Eva was in the office, while our daughter was at home cared for by a nanny. Does that sound like someone who is broke?
Yes we had a Ford station wagon. Yes we have only a 3 bedroom house. But we own everything. Just not big flash spenders, we put money into the bank or invest it.
So did online porn fulfill it's true potential? Read on.