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Old 08-29-2011, 07:31 PM  
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Originally Posted by DeanCapture View Post
I'm very sensitive to InTheCracks plight here. There are plenty of producers in this industry who are only in it for the money. They don't care what the content looks like and they don't care what happens to it after it leaves their hands. Obviously, InTheCrack is not one of those kinds of producers.

I never got into photography for the money...and I didn't get into shooting nude girls for the money. Sure, the money is fine... but first and foremost, I want to produce good work. I want to be proud of it. Some of you guys have never created anything of value in your whole life. You don't have a creative bone in your whole body. I'm not knocking you...that's fine. Our world would not survive without non-creatives.....

I can't tell you how many people have told me over the years that if I shot "this" way, or "that" way...I'd make a lot more money. One of my producer friends has told me for years that I'd make a lot of money if I'd start shooting boy/girl. Well, it may surprise some of you to know that there are actually producers in this industry who have a desire and a passion to produce good work. They've studied their craft for years, want to do the best that they can do and be proud of their accomplishments. The money is important, but it's not "the most important thing".

For the uncreative affiliates out there (you know who you are) whose only purpose is to make as much money as they can, they may have a hard time understanding this. But for anyone out there who has a passion for creating a quality product, and have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours practicing their craft and learning the skills that are required, it should make more sense.

With InTheCrack, you have a producer with a passion for creating a beautiful product that is very unique in our industry. Someone who pays big $$$ for high-quality models, locations and post-production. His years of study & practice have made him a skilled composer of the image. He crops the pictures the way that he thinks looks best, that gives his images the most impact. Then an affiliate comes along with no experience in art or photography, recrops the images so that it fits within his blog, crops out the watermark and thinks that should be fine. Yea, it may be fine if your pushing BigSausagePizza.com, but when you're pushing a highly stylized, high quality product that features the work of one producer whose work is known the world over, have a little fucking respect. His work to him is just as important as your work is to you.

No, I'm not an affiliate, so I'm looking at this primarily from one angle. Those of you who are affiliates, arguing in this thread are probably not producers of high-quality, premium unique content either, so I realize that my thoughts are falling on deaf ears. You think that your opinion is the only one that makes sense... and the only one that matters and that anybody who doesn't think like you is a retard. The fact is that if you have ever created anything of value in your whole life, anything that took years to learn how to do and someone came along and started fucking it up, you'd be angry too.

Seems to be that both sides could show a little more sensitivity towards the other. In this particular situation, the watermarks should not have been removed and ITC could have handled the situation with a little more tact. Both sides could have done a better job with this issue but it's easy to look back and say "should'a - could'a".

Now, I know that some of you are just fuming because I've taken the time to post my opinion and of course, your opinion is so much more important than mine so....feel free to release your anger. Some of you will even stoop to calling me names because well, you're not mature enough to convey your thoughts without going all "trailer-trash" and shit. But this will be my last post on this matter. I've said my part - no need to argue with those who disagree with my opinion.

Carry on.....
I read all of that shake my head.... REALLY?? all of this because an affiliate cropped an image??????

Dean, I am 100% an affiliate and one of the bigger ones on this board. I have never produced my own content, however that doesn't mean I am not creative or can't appreciate creativity. I've designed promos and web pages over the years that have been copied by others several times. I can come up with some pretty innovative stuff. Affiliates aren't always just people who just send traffic from point A to point B.

Secondly, no one is knocking a photographer for putting pride into his work and producing a quality product. On the contrary, producing good work is what is going to draw affiliates to want to promote that site. But you do have to realize all of this is over a photographer who is mad because an affiliate is using his content to promote his site, but cropped the picture to make it smaller and by doing so the watermark was removed.

Also, what you photographers don't understand is that you may have an "eye" for the best shot, but the affiliate will know what works best on his site with his particular traffic. There is the people with t he passion to take the best photographic shot then there are people who knows what sells the best to their particular audience. The two points of views can still be right, but different. If the photographer's main concern is producing works of art and not making money, and doesn't want anyone to question his creativity/skill nor touch his works of art in anyway, then said person should not only NOT have an affiliate program but they should never put their images online.


At the end of the day, affiliates are here 100% to make money. The photographer wants to be an artist, but by offering an affiliate program he gave the rest of us the perception that he also wants to make money. He's made it clear in this thread he pretty much just wants to be an artist. I can't blame an affiliate for wanting to be an affiliate. You keep saying " affiliate don't understand, can't appreciate...". So what if we don't understand why you guys are so anal about the photos you take? We don't need to understand, he is offering an affiliate program, we are affiliates, we are going to do what we do best (drive traffic and make sales). Obviously the problem lies here with the artist who wants to make money from his art work but doesn't really want us to do what we do best and make sales. How many other affiliate programs act like this? it's not the norm, the artist is acting way different than the norm here and a lot different than what affiliates are use to dealing with.
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