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Old 08-07-2011, 04:46 AM  
Paul Markham
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Originally Posted by jimmycooper View Post
Are these considered to be landscape?
Of course they are. And you know it. Today with online viewers having mainly wide screens the majority of poses should be wide angle. Sadly on most sites I've seen they're not.

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Tammy Sands On Twistys
Like this site. Over and over again a portrait shot. Also this site like others has a tendency to repeat the same shot over and over again. Seems to me the site owner is telling the shooter "I want 200 shots." and the shooter isn't good enough to know how to produce 200 shots. So if the member looks at the set in a slide show, he sees the same shot over and over again. Like your first example. What viewer wants to see the same shot over and over again? Would a video repeat the same 10 seconds over and over again?

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Here's the MetArt photographer page for the guy who you assumed was a beginner.
http://guests.met-art.com/photograph...s/top-gallery/
Yes I saw the link and from the thumbs the content looks nice, can't say good as I can't tell. However he's still shooting too many portrait shots. What size is your screen?

Is it the shooters fault? No responsibility for all the content on the site lies with the site owner. He should be telling the shooters what to do. Does he know what to tell them? You didn't think that 18 shots all portrait of one position and 3 variations was wrong. First thing I saw. That's something I had to learn, however shooting like that on film would bankrupt a shooter. I don't see any ex film shooter doing it unless he's a fashion shooter. Definitely not a trait of magazine shooters.

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Out of what must be close to 1000 or so of the photographers listed on the nude, he's consistently voted as one of the top 10. See here along with the Ps.

Yes, I'm not there, as he would be on a list of men's magazine shooters.

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Moving away from 'erotic photography' and 'glamour', take a look at shots from sets from Spiz Cash.

Is the stuff they do at Spiz always technically sound? No. But the technical stuff will come in time. Creativity and vision cannot be taught.
Agreed, it's something some one has. It can be honed.

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The reason you nitpick about little errors made by a photographer with 500+ galleries on MetArt is because those are errors you personally cannot make because you lack the vision to compensate for them.
I have the vision to shoot landscape and portrait and to not repeat the same shot over and over. My vision is different to theirs. In that they are trying to shoot a creative pose/shot. I'm trying to shoot a girl who looks open to a fuck.

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Claiming that Hegre is a guy who shoots stills like a film strip tells us that you've either seen a lot of his other work and have no clue as to what you're talking about or that you're making a broad assessment based upon one gallery, an act that which almost always leads to wrongness.
I did join Hegre a long time ago and thought his stuff was nice but shots were repeated over and over again.

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I want you to prove me wrong here because when it comes to things like critiquing photography, something of which I am still largely a novice, the act of learning something new is a byproduct of being wrong, and I want to learn as much as possible.
Are you trying to be a photographer or pornographer with a camera? These are two different things. Even an erotic photographer isn't a pornographer. Here's something you might like to think about.

A picture tells a story. Whether it's a picture of your baby taken on your mobile phone after being born or a set up shot taking days to construct. The story we tell is often different. Sometimes it's DVT telling us this is some slut who lives in your street and will fuck anyone for a pizza, sometimes it's Playboy style picture telling us this is a girl whose at home in a Ferrari or on the back seat of a Rolls and only fucks millionaires. Sometimes it's of a goddess, my stuff is naught teasing teen amateurs or maybe a bit glam like these shots, still I try to make my girls look accessible, as in shot A.

When shooting a set, it's got to be approached like a video. Shoot a progression of shots, build a story. Showing single pictures proves the shooter can get 1 or 5 shots right in a set. 100+ should be right and it should build to a climax.

Often we fail, but we have to try. Take a look at how I build a set. The vibrator shots got lost. Shot around 1997)

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.p...20%29&i d=251 (More recent)

Amateur teeny

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.p...0%29&i d=1882

Sexier teen

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.p...0%29&i d=1815

More glam

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.p...0%29&i d=1814

What you will notice is the lack of a need to repeat the same shot over and over again. We shot portrait more because magazines are portrait.

No I'm not a glam photographer, go compare those guys you quote with Micheal Ancher, Viv Thomas, Steve Hicks. I know what's right about repeat poses, landscape, looks off the model and how they should tell a story though.
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When was the last time you acknowledged that you were wrong about something? Back in 82'? All that means is that you haven't learned anything since back in 82'.
I admitted I was wrong yesterday. OK I over cooked the fish and was wrong.

Your statement is wrong, so will you admit it? In 1982 I was no where near the shooter I was in 1992 or 2002. I learned as I went along. Listening to what others were saying, doing what editors told me to do and responding to my own critique of my work. What I have found online is a lot of ignorance about porn shooting. The constant desire to link everyone with a camera and judge different style by the same measures.

The thinking that sponsors can fill site with poor content, then someone like you comes along and picks the best sites to debate my stance. Go look at the normal site, pull out their work and put that up against mine. One thing you need to learn is to compare apples with apples.

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I'd like to learn something from these posts, but I'm not really feeling it from you right now.
Just sit back and think of what you post and what I'm trying to get across to you.

This is my basic message. The members areas of most sites aren't good enough. Manwin has some great scenes, often technically very good. However it lack depth, personality and character, it's often just one scene after another with nothing to make the members stay longer than they do.

It's still one of the best sites out there. I feel it could be better. It's heads and shoulders above most.

This goes for Hegre and some others.

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Anyway, where can i see your Manwin scene? I'm curious
Go do a search for "It's harder to shoot porn today." or something like that under my name as the thread poster.

Can you tell from seeing it what my style is? Ignore the technical quality, others could only fault that, technical skills are sure to be poor after a 3 year lay off and my poor physical condition. If fit and back again, they would soon improve. Look at the framing, the progression and the contact between the model and you. You might not like girls talking to you very dirty as they frig themselves off. I DO

So do 10,000s of porn buyers, it gives them a boost to their wanking.

IMO once a girl says nothing or repeats the same phrases over and over again, she becomes plastic. My skill is to get most girls to talk to the viewer, via me, and make them all different.

Talking to the camera.

Talking to the camera.

Talking to the camera.

Talking to the camera.

This is my work from around 1990 to 1994. Technically crap when compared to todays technical level. The video I shot for Manwin was similar in style and better in technical quality, a bit more glam and porn star style as that was what I think the site is about. So chose a model to fit that style.

Whether you shoot this amateur style like I did here or glam, still getting the models to communicate with the camera as well as this is a skill. Do you see how Ami shares when she's trying to get a real orgasm, it was about her 5th in that scene and who knows how many that day.

I can show loads of this kind of work. Comparing this with what we did here is Czech is foolish. Girls couldn't speak English. However on stills I was still able to get them out of their shells. I work a lot with newbies, sometimes it's harder and sometime easier.
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