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Originally Posted by WarChild
You still don't get it. Nobody is going to show you anything. It doesn't matter what you believe is true there's nothing to be gained by any of the large tube owners disclosing their business on GFY. Especially to you who really has nothing at all to offer.
I don't own a tube. I make money selling paysite memberships on many tubes. I know first hand what the numbers are like. In addition, I've been an active affiliate for more than 10 years. I have many friends that once owned/ran TGP then MGP sites and now have tubes. I have seen their numbers first hand. With my own eyes. None of that changes if I don't proove it to you.
Frankly, it shows how out of touch you are with reality when that you're arguing based on your own beliefs, which you fully admit are nothing more than speculation and all the while discounting what people with actual first hand experience are telling you.
For example, Manwin's tubes make an enormous amount of money. They know the tube game but because they won't turn over their books to you for a Paul Markham audit you pretty much dismiss everything they have to say.
By all means continue on with the misguided belief that if you don't understand it, it just doesn't exist. It's funny to have you around as the laughing stock of GFY.
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So you tell us it's true and therefore it's true.
I know people who submitted to Tubes and it wasn't worth their time. Good sites as well.
I'm sure they make money, but the question I'm asking is how much does it cost to the return?
You're not bright enough to see what I'm saying.
I remember when all the wise gurus were saying they only make a scraping and run by people in Russia who can live off little.
Now they are cash cows, well they are listening to you lot.
But all that traffic contains people who used to convert at 1-500. Surfers not banner clicks. Yes they get loads of traffic. If the ratio on spend per 10,000 visitors is getting worse, then the crunch will come.
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i agree with people, tubes are just like 90's tgps, they are here to stay, and tubes are making shitload of cash.
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Tubes didn't get going till 2000 and pretty much done by 2008. Yes there were a few around sooner, they killed themselves off by saturation. I think a few Tubes make a shit load of money. The rest like 90% of the TGPs make enough for a guy sitting at home working for a nice wage.