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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
It is. The business plan of the Adult Internet was to give away as much free porn as possible and spend as much as possible doing it. Those doing it called it marketing.
Over the years surfers were taught that porn is free and paying for it isn't necessary.
In the beginning they were 10 softcore small images and at most 4 10 second clips. As the leap frogging continued the decent TGP sites wouldn't accept these kind of galleries, always looking for more and more to keep surfing numbers high. A lot of people were screaming that too much free HC was hurting sales. But TGP sites made the rules.
Who says none of the content was stolen?
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Didn't quote your whole post either...just the part you are incorrect about.
The business plan of the Adult Internet was to make money. And we did. It's not what you are saying at all. I didn't "give away" anything. I used marketing tools and made sales like crazy.
That is NOT a failed plan. That was a VERY VERY SUCCESSFUL business model.
And no, in the beginning it wasn't softcore images. It was hardcore right out the gate.
I remember going on the tour of the Wetlands site. And that was without a doubt the biggest porn site on the internet back in the early days of the web. And even though I was on a 28.8 k modem connection...I wanted to wait that 5 minutes it took to see that picture of the black guy fucking that redhead on the tour.
It was hardcore from the get go for the successful pay sites and the successful free sites. Paul...I'm not in it to give away stolen porn to sell dating. I'm in to show samples to sell paysites.
It has nothing to do with "leapfrogging" on my part.
You are 100% correct about tubes and bittorrents and file sharing sites. But they are NOT the same business model.
They are not designed to sell paysite memberships. Matter of fact they are designed to DESTROY them. They steal content and sell everything but porn.
Please don't compare what I do to what they do. It's two completely different things. An illegit tube like Pornhub is NOT an evolutionary progression of a real TGP. It's a new animal with a completely different income stream.
The only thing that ties it to porn is that it uses porn to sell products. But it ain't selling porn.
I'm in the business of selling porn. They are not. They see stolen porn as a draw to create at traffic source that they can monetize in an ever decreasing way.
I see porn galleries as a way to present a sample of what's inside a members area to sell a membership (which works great...until the tube site gives away the entire members area)
As far as living in the past goes...I do keep my tgp's running. I work on them every day.
When the new copyright laws DO come and what Pornhub and file sharing sites and bit torrents are doing right now becomes illegal...my tgp's MAY become monsters again. If that happens I'll be ready.
In the meantime...I was the first paysite to actually use the technology and take a tube script and hack it up into the actual tour and members area (yeah, everybody else is doing it NOW...but we did it almost 3 years ago) and I was one of the first to protect my content and keep the majority of it off the pirate sites and watched our sales & rebills rise while everyone else has watched their income fall.
Just because I'm trying to explain to you that REAL tgp's were/are great marketing and have nothing in common with a site like Pornhub doesn't mean I haven't been on the cutting edge of what I do. No need to try and insult me over and over.
I pride myself on working hard and staying ahead of the game. I think I'm pretty good at that...and I have to say that to have you tell me I'm "living in the past", when I've been busting ass to stay ahead of everyone as best I can...kinda hurts.
I think you should save that kind of thing for people who deserve it. Neither I, nor any of the people that I consider to be my true peers are the cause of what's happening today.
Some of the guys I see with high traffic tube sites now...are the same old guys who were scamming and running circle jerks back in 2000. Same guys, same bullshit. I never considered them to be in the same business as me back then, and I don't consider them to be now.