Originally Posted by Robbie

I didn't deliver any spin. Dude, I live in a 5600 sq. foot house in Las Vegas that I just bought in 2008. I'm living VERY well thank you.

I made plenty of money for both myself and others. And you are dead wrong about TGP's

As I said earlier...I have respect for you as a photographer. And I won't show you any disrespect in any other way. But I think you're ignorant of what I do as an affiliate.

You keep saying that TGP's did this and tgp's did that. But you're dead wrong.

First off...most "tgp" sites that came around after the year 2000 weren't even "real" tgps. They were circle jerk scripts.

There were and are only a handful of REAL tgps. Yes, there are countless thousands of sites running a script. But only a handful of us real guys who had honest traffic.

As for "living in the past"...I'm not sure where you came up with that. I am only pointing out to you that we did not steal anything and we always made a LOT of money with all of our partners. I'm definitely not trying to claim that my tgp's have big traffic anymore. That's all over at Pornhub now. And who can blame the surfers? They have a choice of looking at galleries and reading my blog and then buying a membership OR seeing everything for free.

I can't compete against that. But I still make more money as an affiliate with my tgp's than most of the people (including you) in this thread. And by not "living in the past" I make 5 times that amount of money on Claudia-Marie's site.

That's not hype. I've shown people my stats both in private and right here on GFY a couple of times as well. I have nothing to hide and always welcome competition (unlike all the "mystery millionaires" here on GFY who can't tell you what their site is or what they actually do because someone will "steal" it)

I know you think you have it all figured out and that tubes were just a natural evolution of TGP's.

NO! They aren't. Illegit tubes have "user upload" which equals stolen content and are not designed to sell paysite memberships.

My tgp's on the other hand have NO stolen content and are designed totally to sell memberships.
It's not even the same business model...much less a tube "perfecting" anything.

We didn't "give away" free porn. We use promo tools given to us. I already explained to you a while back that there is a "sweet spot".

You are talking in theory on this subject...but I'm telling you as an expert who does it for a living. A hosted gallery with 12 pictures or 4 30 second clips will outsell any softcore advertising that you can think of. Day in and day out.

But NO advertising, soft or hard, works when the entire members areas of the sites you are trying to sell are being given away for free.

And again..NO... TGP's running galleries did not destroy magazines and DVD sales.

The convenience and privacy of the internet did that.

If ALL free porn on the internet was gone right now...and all you could do was buy a membership to a paysite online to see porn...Magazines and DVD sales would still be in the shitter and paysite sales would skyrocket.

It's not hosted galleries that killed us. That made incredible money for everybody for over 10 years online. That only stopped when illegit tubes like Pornhub (and of course bit torrent and file sharing sites) exploded and just started openly stealing everyone's content and hiding behind the DMCA law.

I know you don't believe me. But then again...selling porn online wasn't your expertise. It's mine. And I won't argue with you about a proper Fstop even though I do shoot a nice pic every once in a while.

I consider you to be more an expert and one thing I know is that when I meet someone who knows more than I do on a particular subject...I'm gonna listen. You should do the same.