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Originally Posted by GregE
You used to be in a union, you know how this shit works.
Management pushes one way and the union pushes the other way.
Somewhere in the middle is what's fair.
Sometimes the bosses push labor past that line and other times the union pushes the bosses back over the line.
That's how the game is played and through most of our history it's worked out pretty damn well for everybody involved including the general public.
Take away collective bargaining and all the pushing will come from the likes of the new Teabagger governors.
The Wisconsin Governor has already gone on record as saying that this is all about smoothing the road for future take backs.
Now we all know that folks like The Demon get a raging hard on just thinking about such, but you strike me as being a little smarter than that.
Come on man, do you want to go back to the days when our kids were taught by losers too stupid or dysfunctional to get a decent paying job?
Or would you like to be "protected" by cops who have to moonlight or take bribes to pay the rent?
If Scott Walker and his fellow travelers have their way that's what's coming down the road.
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I worked in the private sector in unions, elevator construction and teamsters. When we went into bargaining, the boss's did so with the best interest of their company, in public unions, the Boss's are doing it for the best interest of themselves. They give better benefits to the workers, then the unions support their re-election, giving to the democratic party.
It's got crazy when a Bus Driver in Madison is the highest paid public employee, above the Mayor and the Police Chief because of the overtime he gets when others don't feel they have to show up to work, maxing out their sick days and taking unpaid days, costing the state more money.
You ask would I rather have police that took bribes, no, but I also want police that show up for work.
The Demon is very right wing, I'm not, I point out the flaws in the lefts approach, because it's not working, believe me , when the right that just got in power starts fucking up, I will be against them just as much.
The liberals on this board look at Reagan and compare him to Barry saying it was just as bad and it took just as long to fix the economy, thing is, Barry is doing the exact opposite of what Reagan did, that's what scares me.
Liberal politicians are like all politicians, they want to get re-elected and to do that, they have to play to their money base, which is the unions, the unions get what they want by getting outrageous contracts, like free Viagra and the liberal politicians getting the financial and voting backing of the unions.
This is complete out of sync with the private sector and with the high unemployment , less taxes are going to the government to pay for these union benefits.
The governor thinks he can hire 250,000 new public employee's by doing what he's doing, by cutting waste caused by these union benefits, I for one would rather have more people at work, than a bus driver getting 159k a year