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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
No you don't get it.
Teaching people not to pay for porn so you can make a quick buck off the few that do isn't long term good business. The reason the business is shrinking isn't that Tubes are free.
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Paul, I do get it. And I don't like it. But take a look around you man.
This is not a matter of "teaching" people to not pay for porn, they have "taught" people not to.
This argument should have been had like 3 years ago.
It's too late now. That's my point.
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And the more people who turn onto that the less that buy. So you're "getting into the game" of giving away your product to attract the few buyers left. And the next guy gets into the game, and the next, and the next, and the next and it leaves the porn consumer with even more reasons not to buy.
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I'm in a position to have a unique product. I've always been in niche markets and there are only a handful of people in the entire WORLD shooting where I do. And while my pay sites have taken a hit due to many reasons, they are still very profitable.
In addition to pay sites, where do you think so many girls from SE Asia learn about webcams? Only a handful of people there too, and tubes are not ruining cams. You can't just think in terms of content / pay sites.
I don't care what happens to the next guy. He's not my problem. He's probably an asshole anyway. My eyes are on my ball.
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I don't need to change, made my money when the going was good. I feel sympathy for those who need to stay in the game and don't have the opportunity to get out or change their game.
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So why all the complaining? Really man, if you have no dog in the fight, go spend time with your wife and don't waste your time on an industry that's already changed. Key word is
changed. It's not changing.
It doesn't make sense, and neither does a world that is dependent on oil. But it's there and happening right now.
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The real problem started long before Tubes. The business model of spending 50% or more on driving traffic and 5% to 10% on the actual product was flawed. It invited people in with little clue how to shoot and the real expertise was in driving traffic. Now we have a situation with 1,000s of sites all with the same bland content and little to sell. People spending more and more on traffic that performs worse because the customer isn't that interested. And free porn.
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Porn business models have always been fucked. That's what you get when you get a bunch of people running businesses who lucked into having a successful business. I'd bet 8 out of 10 of these people could not replicate their success if they started today.
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But blaming the downturn of the business on Tubes is much easier than working out why so many prefer Pornhub to a paysite. And the solution takes real skill to bring about.
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Tubes, torrents, boards.... free is good for surfers. But the cats out of the bag and there is no changing that until laws on a GLOBAL level are changed. In the meantime, we all still have to make money. As much as I don't like what has happened, it did happen and here we are.
You, Will, myself and a million other people here could cry all day about PornHub, and you know where it would get us? NOWHERE. While you're complaining about who Nathan is and if he knows what toilets he has in the office, he is making money and not giving a shit. If he owns Manwin, so be it. If he doesn't and he's just a front man, HE IS DOING A DAMN GOOD JOB at making sure YOUR EYES are not on the ball. If he is the front man, he deserves a raise, because while everyone attacks, him, Manwin is making power moves while you're busy playing with your pecker.
The game has changed Paul. You don't like it, I don't like it, most people don't like it... but unless you are going to burn down Manwin's office and kill them all, give it a rest man. And even then, rid the world of them and another one will pop up in their place. That's how it works.
There is NOTHING you are going to say to anyone to change anything.
Go be retired man, enjoy life, enjoy the precious time you have with your wife. Don't waste another minute of your life on this stupid shit. It's stealing from you much more than it's stealing from the industry...
your time.