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Originally Posted by Frasier
Again, I have no hard feeling on this and only hope this discussion helps someone in the future. Not winning this auction had no negative effect on me or my business plans. It was a $xx.xx transaction and thus really means NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. The difference between my 50.00 opening bid and the winning bid was less than a cheap bottle of Scotch or a nice cigar. That said, I'd like to put forth the following.
All this talk of 'offering proof' of an anon email bid just seems like lip service after the fact. None of these terms were spelled out in the auction listing. Only mentioned 'after the fact' when I indicated I didnt like competing with anon bids that I cant be sure are 'real'
And exactly HOW would you offer PROOF ?
Copies of emails? If they didnt show headers so someone could somehow attempt to verify them, what good would that be? If 'anon bidders' sole purpose was to 'remain private' I would expect that you disclosing the fact that they even BID on a auction would be breach of trust, or at the very least serve to make them never bid with you again. If you redact the header info to protect the sellers privacy, how does this validate the bid? It could have been the seller sending himself an email from his yahoo or hotmail account to his listed email.
Heck, even if you did offer un-edited 'proof' of that sort - it could be from an associate of the seller and still just a shill bid.
The ONLY way I've seen on here to sell domains that seems 100% ethical is for a seller to post a BIN and lower it as often as he/she wants until they get a buyer for that price.
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Hi Frasier,
I get your points but the only problem I have is that shill bidding was mentioned in this thread when the auction was 100% genuine and when I have comments suggesting that shill bidding could have potentially went on all I can do is respond.
I am not talking about your comment when explaining why you didn't make any further bids, I am talking about the comment another forum made when it was mentioned that my theory/mentality is that of a shill bidder
Alright like you said $20 is nothing to you, beleive it or not the same applies to me. I have been a member on this forum for just over two months have sold in excess of $5000 worth of domains, I was more than happy to let the domain go to you for $50!
If I had any attention on shill bidding on this domain the price would have been at the $150 mark I am not going to try and bump the domain by $10 increments, for one I had you has a buyer for all I knew there was no other interest so by bumping the price could have resulted in an unsold domain! I have shitloads of domains, if I sold each one for $15 I would still be a very happy camper!
As far as proof goes the only thing I could have offered is full un-edited proof. For the reason you said obviously I am not going to post full details in public but I am more than willing to provide the details to the winner of the auction.
Obviously you were not the winner of the auction but if you want to see the email and subsequent icq messages from the buyer hit me up by email and I have no problem shooting this accross?
I asked after the domain was pushed for the buyer to post in this thread. His response was that he cannot post on gfy because his account has not been activated yet. He is from sweden, I am from the uk.
The buyer had a good deal imo whether it sold for $50 or $70 the price was still cheaper than it would have cost in reg fees.
The only free hint I can give is look at the whois.
It is your choice whether to bid on domains or not and if you suspect any foul play then you are 100% right to stay away from a bidding war. The only thing I can do in future is to try and encourage bidders to make bids in public. I am however in the business of selling domains, if someone emails me with an higher offer but as no intention of making their bid public I can't turn away their offer.
If you look at my past threads some of the bid increments made in public are in excess of $100 +! You cannot just turn down that kind of bid increment
